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#2061

[QUOTE=GiddyapGirl;5016394]

Saturday, I did a work and go at Penn. Because of prep for the Governors Cup no one was allowed in the receiving barn. Period. This I can understand as it is a daunting task for the best of men to make the sheet hole of a barn even slightly presentable, given years, not just hours. I, might I add, am the ultimate rule follower where the track and racing are concerned. So there all of us are in the parking lot outside the receiving barn, like a bunch of cowboy hacks. The horse I worked on Saturday is fractious to say the least and not the type you can tack up in the parking lot so I shipped in tacked up, trying to follow the rules. This totally freaked the horse out and how he did not hurt himself in the trailer I really do not know. He managed to make it up to train and back to the receiving barn parking lot unscathed in spite of a loose horse on the track. Untacking was easy enough until it came to taking off the bridle and slipping on his halter to take him home (I was not sending him home tacked up and risk his hurting himself). I and the two people with me honestly TRIED OUR BEST to accomplish this in the lot so as not to disturb the “beautification” in the receiving barn and follow the rules. It was not happening. I finally stepped inside and asked permission to bring him in the shedrow, not a stall, to accomplish this. I really did not want to risk injury to the horse, other people or other horses. One loose horse a morning is enough. John Murray greeted my request with expletives and a threat that if I or any of the people with me set foot in the receiving barn that he would have us all ruled off. So much for “We Care.” More like “We Don’t Care”. Who cares if the horse gets loose and gets hurt or hurts others? This task might have taken a minute or two SAFELY in the shedrow. To date there have already been three people ruled off for not being out of the receiving barn by 9 AM on the dot to allow for “electrical work.” Go figure. Penn National
business as usual.[/QUOTE]

Sandor Horvath is one of the worst trainers and care taker that I have ever seen so his opinion wouldn’t mean a whole lot to me.
Who cares that you had to work and go out of the parking lot? At least they let you use the track. I have been working out of my trailer for two years. You gotta do what you gotta do. Worked two this morning. Brought them in tacked minus the bridle. Worked them, borrowed a hose to wash them off and cooled them down under the shade of a tree. Heck one time I had a horse entered in a stake and they wouldn’t let me have a stall to work and go. She stood out in the parking lot tied to the trailer like a lead pony. Point being there are lots of messed up things about Penn but not having the receiving barn at your beck and call is not one of them.

#2062

[QUOTE=pinkdiamondracing;5023506]

Say what you want about Steph but at least she has never put a person’s life in danger by running a blocked, stone cold cripple for the sake of a buck-- maybe she sent horses to the killers, maybe she didn’t, but at least she doesn’t knowingly run a horse she knows could get someone killed-- this I know for fact, as the horse that is being sent to New Vocations could run again with 6-8 months off for rehab!!![/QUOTE]

Really ?

I think Taylor Hole would disagree with you.

Ask SB what she did the day after she claimed THE UNCLEAN SPIRIT from Gill / Vitali? She whined to the Commission and wanted the claim voided.

Two starts later the horse ran 2nd and broke down after the wire.

I think you are caught up on the spell of SB. I agree with a previous poster who said the first step in moving forward is admitting mistakes. In her Typical selfish fashion, SB will never do that because she is SB.

#2063

[QUOTE=Maryharthill;5023589]
I think you are caught up on the spell of SB. I agree with a previous poster who said the first step in moving forward is admitting mistakes. In her Typical selfish fashion, SB will never do that because she is SB.[/QUOTE]

Caught up in the spell, but just as likely overidentifying with SB. She’s taking this personally, as if we are trying to ruin her livelihood. Perhaps pinkdiamond doesn’t truly believe these past transgressions were really mistakes, that claiming and running horses into the ground and shipping them off to slaughter while still blowing hard from their last race is OK because it’s the only way the trainer can earn a decent living.

#2064

[QUOTE=Laurierace;5023576]
Sandor Horvath is one of the worst trainers and care taker that I have ever seen so his opinion wouldn’t mean a whole lot to me.
Who cares that you had to work and go out of the parking lot? At least they let you use the track. I have been working out of my trailer for two years. You gotta do what you gotta do. Worked two this morning. Brought them in tacked minus the bridle. Worked them, borrowed a hose to wash them off and cooled them down under the shade of a tree. Heck one time I had a horse entered in a stake and they wouldn’t let me have a stall to work and go. She stood out in the parking lot tied to the trailer like a lead pony. Point being there are lots of messed up things about Penn but not having the receiving barn at your beck and call is not one of them.[/QUOTE]I certainly agree, Laurierace that Sandor Horvath’s opinion is not worth the steam off my horses’ meadow muffins. I think you miss the point entirely in my post. Horvath talks out of both sides of his mouth extolling DD’s virtues one minute to the Paulick reporters and then tearing him apart verbally to boarders the next. He is part of the problem not the solution as he allows people such as DD to board there and do what he does to his horses.
DD’s “practices” are well known at the training center, with little being hidden. Like eradicating any vermin, do away with their nest and they generally will not hang around. If the racing community refused to offer boarding, vet care, hay and straw, etc. to people like DD the place would clean up in a hurry. When it is already well known what kind of scum someone is why do people in this community roll out the red carpet for them? They don’t have such a financial impact that not doing business with them is going to really fiscally ruin them.

Again, you miss the point about the receiving barn. I worked two this morning (two year olds) off my trailer this and had no problem with it. They are both good boys and don’t pose a risk in any way. Just because I CAN do this doesn’t mean I or other horsemen should have to. I’ve been to better tracks (Belmont, Churchill, Delaware, etc.) and I don’t ever recall horsemen being treated with as little concern as at Penn. On the Saturday in my prior post I was concerned that the horse could get loose and hurt someone. John Murray didn’t care enough about the safety of other people and horses to allow me two minutes in the shedrow to make sure the horse in question didn’t get loose and hurt a person or horse. Don’t pull a muscle patting yourself on the back for being so self sufficient Laurie. The fact of the matter is this: The situation with your stakes horse was deplorable. What a way to treat a horseman, particularly a stakes horse. I don’t see a stakes barn here does anyone else??? Even Mountaineer has a stakes barn for heaven’s sake. What you speak of exemplifies a prevalent attitude here. People just accept the sheet they are fed here and pat themselves on the back for putting up with it and being so tolerant and able to “roll with the punches”. Like a bad marriage or a bad job they just accept it and stay put because they think it is normal and OK. It’s NOT! This attitude is why things stay the way they are. The horsemen bringing their horses to race here helps this racino make their bank drop in an armored car. For that alone better treatment is due us. :no: You are hoist by your own petard! (Check your latin dictionary if this is beyond you!):lol:

#2065

Giddyapgirl, what I DO NOT GET is why you didn’t just put the halter on over the bridle and load the darn horse
if need be pull the bridle off out from under the halter and get on with your day
this little tantrum isn’t going to fix any issue.
It only solidifies Penns wish to get rid of horses period
Save the fight for another day another battle that can be won.

Pink Diamond grow up or go marry SB, become her BFF but don’t shove it down our throats on this board.

The 4H ladies name is???

and 4H today isn’t yester years 4H.

#2066

Laurel doesn’t allow you in the receiving barn on race days ever. Which means its the parking lot or nothing. I know the rules and have to follow them or go elsewhere. Sure I could come on non race days but the gate isn’t open then.

#2067

Actually Giddyapgirl, when I did work and go’s I put the bridle over the halter
 then when it came time to go home, just strip the bridle off, and wa-la
 halter!
Neeeeeext problem
that was easy. <WEG>
truthfully, only funnin’ with you 
 if thats your worst crisis of the day, you are lucky.

Im curious why now
 there are folks coming on defending SB and her “accountability” issues
maybe shes trying to get the story straight for the GJ? My money is on them(GJ) to get the answers – the information is out there now.

 Judybigredpony --- did anyone do any advertising for volunteers? I cant imagine it would be hard to find riders...

now-farriers? pro-bono? dont think thats part of their vocabulary/good luck there>maybe a farrier school would have training days for PN horses? Along the same lines> How about recent vet school grads, or approaching a school on interships as part of their graduate studies? maybe the school can find a grant to subsidize. What has NV done in their other programs? (I honestly dont know)

     Speaking of school&gt; quote&gt;pinkdiamondracing&gt; too old to go to college ----------- Never! I know (women) who graduated in their very later years, after raising their families!

Learning is learning, and everyday is opportunity; theres no time-limit or deadline on that.
And while I’m at it
 taking the posture of being a victim doesnt suit you or do well for gaining favor – be responsibile to yourself – no one can ruin your life but you.
Lastly, since you are the last owner of a horse, YES, it IS your responsibility
and that started the day you took ownership – a little forethought for the aftercare is needed, like
 to stop racing while the horse is still sound and able to be rehomed. If you saw more owners being held responsible for their animals, you’d see better care
! as of now, its just too easy to dump into rescues, or demand the track/or horsemans assoc pick up the tab(let me clarify that the now PN retraining program funded BY the horsemen for the horsemen is a whole different measure)
 slaughter was just a cowards way out.

{quote} I think Taylor Hole would disagree with you.
I KNOW he would, and a few others. but I’m sure you meant that but was only being polite.

#2068

[QUOTE=judybigredpony;5023695]
Giddyapgirl, what I DO NOT GET is why you didn’t just put the halter on over the bridle and load the darn horse
if need be pull the bridle off out from under the halter and get on with your day
this little tantrum isn’t going to fix any issue.
It only solidifies Penns wish to get rid of horses period
Save the fight for another day another battle that can be won.

Pink Diamond grow up or go marry SB, become her BFF but don’t shove it down our throats on this board.

The 4H ladies name is???

and 4H today isn’t yester years 4H.[/QUOTE]

How about you grow up and face the fact that sometimes bad things happen in life and that not everyone is going to be a animal rights activist, eat tofu, and wipe their butt with something other than a product made out of a helpless little tree???
Don’t shove it down your throat?? How about you not shove down my throat your bleeding heart-save each and every poor little horsie on the planet- b.s.— not everyone is going to agree with your way of thinking-- so deal with it–

How the freakin he!! do I know what the 4H lady’s name is??? I have had no dealings with her–

Like I said before-- I don’t doubt that Steph has made mistakes, all I said in the first place is that I have seen firsthand the effort being put in to make a change— a horse who easily could go back to racing is now going to be placed with New Vocations so I think people should cut her some slack and give her a chance to prove that things will be different from now on. Frankly, I could give a rat’s a$$ about what she did in the past, but even if this is the only horse that she doesn’t send to slaughter or the “4H lady” that’s at least one that get a second chance-- I think if the horse were mine and I had the money into him that these people do, I would be severely tempted to at least rehab him and put him backinto training and see how it went. If the horse didn’t hold up to getting back into shape, then of course I would send him to another job, but I am afraid I would have to give it a shot, especially considering the horse was running competitively with the fracture prior to them claiming him-- as I said-- the fracture is not new it is old, which makes the guy she claimed him from the monster, not her (wonder how many others she has claimed that were already injured that were running anyway,so it isn’t just her doing it)

I do not appreciate being told to"go marry SB" talk about being immature—I am already married thanks!!!

I used to really enjoy this board when it was actually about racing not about slaughter-- I am sick to death of every thread on these forums deteriorating into an anti-slaughter thread!!!

Lastly-- I am really glad that Penn is not my home track with all of you armchair bleeding hearts stalking my each and every move-- talk about needing to get a life!!!

#2069

I have also fogot to mention last night on my blog entry concerning Stephanie and my personally knowing Stephanie and the 4H woman. Not only the 4H woman,her husband, teenagers daughters and been to her home/farm. The was MORE THAN A FEW OCCASIONS when she would DRIVE 3 HOURS from her home town (which I will not disclose ) FOR ONE HORSE NEVER EVER ASK FOR GAS MONEY OR ANY ASSISTANCE FROM US. ie meeting 1/2 way,gas etc. She WOULD DRIVE FOR ONE HORSE AND ALWAYS BRING HER FAMILY IN TOW. SHE ALSO DID SO FOR STEPHANIE. Now doesn’t that sound ridiculous that this woman would do a 6 hour trip round trip without ever asking for a dime in gas money and with her family in tow to pick up one HORSE TO BRING TO SLAUGHTER HOUSE DEALERS. YOU [edit] HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. As I explained last night the 4H lady does exist FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED LAST NIGHT AND TODAY. NOW WHAT’S NEXT FOR YOU [edit] TO GRAB ON TO AND RUN WITH. DON’T YOU PEOPLE HAVE FAMILY FRIENDS OR A HOBBY TO SPEND TIME WITH??? I will say some of you deserve "Jr. Detective " Awards. If nothing else some of you people’s theories ARE QUITE ENTERTAINING. LOL LOL LOL

#2070

I have also fogot to mention last night on my blog entry concerning Stephanie and my personally knowing Stephanie and the 4H woman. Not only the 4H woman,her husband, teenagers daughters and been to her home/farm. The was MORE THAN A FEW OCCASIONS when she would DRIVE 3 HOURS from her home town (which I will not disclose ) FOR ONE HORSE NEVER EVER ASK FOR GAS MONEY OR ANY ASSISTANCE FROM US. ie meeting 1/2 way,gas etc. She WOULD DRIVE FOR ONE HORSE AND ALWAYS BRING HER FAMILY IN TOW. SHE ALSO DID SO FOR STEPHANIE. Now doesn’t that sound ridiculous that this woman would do a 6 hour trip round trip without ever asking for a dime in gas money and with her family in tow to pick up one HORSE TO BRING TO SLAUGHTER HOUSE DEALERS. YOU WACKES OUT FREAKS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. As I explained last night the 4H lady does exist FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED LAST NIGHT AND TODAY. NOW WHAT’S NEXT FOR YOU FREAKS TO GRAB ON TO AND RUN WITH. DON’T YOU PEOPLE HAVE FAMILY FRIENDS OR A HOBBY TO SPEND TIME WITH??? I will say some of you deserve "Jr. Detective " Awards. If nothing else some of you people’s theories ARE QUITE ENTERTAINING. LOL LOL LOL

#2071

I know my opinion does not matter one bit, but I must admit that my recollection of PDR was the “high” she was on at the Derby when she was chosen to pony one of the race horses. Her story was such a good story 
 ponying with her old horse.
Ha
 now we see the true colours!! and it ain’t pink!

You, being the last owner/trainer of a horse, made money or were hoping to make money with that horse. So, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure it has a proper future (even if it is a dignified end). After all, I guess you appreciated someone brought that horse to the world so you could “earn a living”.

Funny how SB is now such a good girl and placing her horses when she obviously did not care what happened to them very recently. So? Did the 4H lady get Contrary too? and any of the others mentioned previously? Maybe us “freaks” freaked her enough to change a modus operandi? (that’s latin too)


#2072

[QUOTE=pinkdiamondracing;5023763]
How about you grow up and face the fact that sometimes bad things happen in life and that not everyone is going to be a animal rights activist, eat tofu, and wipe their butt with something other than a product made out of a helpless little tree???
Don’t shove it down your throat?? How about you not shove down my throat your bleeding heart-save each and every poor little horsie on the planet- b.s.— not everyone is going to agree with your way of thinking-- so deal with it–

How the freakin he!! do I know what the 4H lady’s name is??? I have had no dealings with her–

Like I said before-- I don’t doubt that Steph has made mistakes, all I said in the first place is that I have seen firsthand the effort being put in to make a change— a horse who easily could go back to racing is now going to be placed with New Vocations so I think people should cut her some slack and give her a chance to prove that things will be different from now on. Frankly, I could give a rat’s a$$ about what she did in the past, but even if this is the only horse that she doesn’t send to slaughter or the “4H lady” that’s at least one that get a second chance-- I think if the horse were mine and I had the money into him that these people do, I would be severely tempted to at least rehab him and put him backinto training and see how it went. If the horse didn’t hold up to getting back into shape, then of course I would send him to another job, but I am afraid I would have to give it a shot, especially considering the horse was running competitively with the fracture prior to them claiming him-- as I said-- the fracture is not new it is old, which makes the guy she claimed him from the monster, not her (wonder how many others she has claimed that were already injured that were running anyway,so it isn’t just her doing it)

I do not appreciate being told to"go marry SB" talk about being immature—I am already married thanks!!!

I used to really enjoy this board when it was actually about racing not about slaughter-- I am sick to death of every thread on these forums deteriorating into an anti-slaughter thread!!!

Lastly-- I am really glad that Penn is not my home track with all of you armchair bleeding hearts stalking my each and every move-- talk about needing to get a life!!![/QUOTE]

Nice people skills. I hope you get along better with your animals, although by your own admission, they are of no value to you except as a means to earn a paycheck. Have you ever considered that perhaps your lack of a college education isn’t actually the reason your employment options are limited?

For what it’s worth: There are numerous shades of gray between the bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, animal rights activist position and yours. Animal welfare is one such position. Individual responsibility is another.

#2073

How about you grow up and face the fact that sometimes bad things happen in life and that not everyone is going to be a animal rights activist, Well since I’m not one lets move on
 eat tofu,Actually prefer Steak Rare
 and wipe their butt with something other than a product made out of a helpless little tree???EEww thats gotta chaff
Don’t shove it down your throat?? How about you not shove down my throat your bleeding heart-save each and every poor little horsie on the planet- b.s.— not everyone is going to agree with your way of thinking-- so deal with it–

Well since you never took the time to actually read any of the past post you are definately on the wrong road here
maybe your on the way to 4H.
I do not a hoarder, am neutral slaughter since it has its place, but in an more acceptable manner,not a tree hugger cause burn wood in my fireplaces, defiantely a meat eater
and since I can read n write n do my sums and make more than minimum wage
from my horses no less guess I’m one up one you in alot of ways.
So lets all get back on topic and stop stooping (like moi) to these obvious antagonisitc tactics to shut us down
back to regularly scheduled program


#2074

[QUOTE=FalseImpression;5023890]
I know my opinion does not matter one bit, but I must admit that my recollection of PDR was the “high” she was on at the Derby when she was chosen to pony one of the race horses. Her story was such a good story 
 ponying with her old horse.
Ha
 now we see the true colours!! and it ain’t pink!

You, being the last owner/trainer of a horse, made money or were hoping to make money with that horse. So, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure it has a proper future (even if it is a dignified end). After all, I guess you appreciated someone brought that horse to the world so you could “earn a living”.

Funny how SB is now such a good girl and placing her horses when she obviously did not care what happened to them very recently. So? Did the 4H lady get Contrary too? and any of the others mentioned previously? Maybe us “freaks” freaked her enough to change a modus operandi? (that’s latin too)
[/QUOTE]

That horse I used at the Derby is still with me and always will be-- I for one, have actually never sent a horse to slaughter, and never will, but I doesn’t mean that I don’t feel it had it’s place.
The horses that do cross my path find homes-- I have placed one with a girl in TN that I was given to make a riding horse out of-- whenI found out he was not giong to stay sound enough for me to use, I found him a HOME!!! I am not condoning slaughter, but I am asking for people to give a person a chance to change-- someone gave me one once, so it proves that everyone deserves a second chance–

When I posted this morning it was to let those of you know that SB was at least making an effort to do the right thing-- why she has chosen to do this shouldn’t matter, what happened before should be not necessarily forgiven but perhaps we should let what happens in the future determine how we look at others.

I did not mean to get into a verbal pi$$ing match with everyone but I believe in second chances— for people and horses-- so I just feel that SB deserves a chance to do better-- she has cleaned house at her barn from what I am told and has been on a mission to change “business as usual”

That’s all I have to say-- I did not mean to get so riled up but like I said, if those who are complaining are not an active part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

It is also not my intention to get this thread shut down, but I would like talk about someone else besides SB-- surely there are those who have not made an effort-- can’t we attack them for a while??

#2075

[QUOTE=MoJo;5023962]
Nice people skills. I hope you get along better with your animals, although by your own admission, they are of no value to you except as a means to earn a paycheck. Have you ever considered that perhaps your lack of a college education isn’t actually the reason your employment options are limited?

For what it’s worth: There are numerous shades of gray between the bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, animal rights activist position and yours. Animal welfare is one such position. Individual responsibility is another.[/QUOTE]

I never clamied to have good people skills-- I tend to speak what comes through my brain–

Horses do have value to me— they are the reason I live-- and the ones who cross my path mean everything to me— even the ones I can’t help. I have had to harden my heart to this business I am in, because if I don’t I would be as bad as those hoarders they show on T.V.-- if my farm was any bigger-- I would be financially ruined, as it would have more unwanted racehorses on it than I could feed, but I know I can not save them all. So if someone sends one to slaughter, although it’s not decision I could make I don’t find fault-- for I can not take another-- I can barely afford the ones I have. I wish I really could take more I do-- because I would!!!

I do my part-- like I said on my Derby Day posts— I have kept the ones I could-- the others I have done the best I could for---- but I have never sent one to slaughter— and I never will— I will euthanize before I do that.

#2076

[QUOTE=judybigredpony;5024087]

Well since you never took the time to actually read any of the past post you are definately on the wrong road here
maybe your on the way to 4H.
I do not a hoarder, am neutral slaughter since it has its place, but in an more acceptable manner,not a tree hugger cause burn wood in my fireplaces, defiantely a meat eater
and since I can read n write n do my sums and make more than minimum wage
from my horses no less guess I’m one up one you in alot of ways.
So lets all get back on topic and stop stooping (like moi) to these obvious antagonisitc tactics to shut us down
back to regularly scheduled program
[/QUOTE]

Judy-- I have read every post every page-- and I think you deserve an apology from me and so do the others— I was out of line and I am sorry-- I am not trying to shut the thread down, but I am trying to bring to light the fact that it appears that SB is making an effort-- and people need to be mindful of that-- continuing to attack her is not going to bring back the ones that are gone, but it may prevent her from doing the right thing for the ones in the future-- that’s all I am saying-- give her a chance to change-- I know from my own struggles in life, that sometimes changing a behavior is not easy, and sometimes you screw up no matter how hard you try.

#2077

[QUOTE=pinkdiamondracing;5024140]

those who are complaining are not an active part of the solution[/QUOTE]

I think many of those who have been posting and “complaining” have been an “active part of the solution” and because of them, house will soon be cleaned at Penn National.

For those of you that have been posting and speaking up for the horses who can’t defend themselves, don’t let these types silence you.

#2078

[QUOTE=Dahoss;5024243]
I think many of those who have been posting and “complaining” have been an “active part of the solution” and because of them, house will soon be cleaned at Penn National.

For those of you that have been posting and speaking up for the horses who can’t defend themselves, don’t let these types silence you.[/QUOTE]

Dahoss-- I think you are confused as to what I meant about being part of the problem–
What I said in my post was if you are complaining and are not an active part of the solution-- meaning that you are adopting and caring for these “kill pen” horses, then that makes you a part of the problem-- there has to be a place for these horses–whether its at your house, my house, Judybigredpony’s houses or whatever–

That is what I meant by being part of the solution----- there has to be a place for these horses— not everyone who is in the racing business is set up to rehab and retrain them-- some of these people who train are living literally hand to mouth on the money these horses make for them-- there isn’t any extra-- sometimes they are going broke on farrier’s fees, vet bills, shipping costs, feed, etc-- when the horse doesn’t make any money, neither does the trainer–because day money really doesn’t go very far to paying those expenses—more often than not trainers at tracks like Penn have horses on a deal-- meaning they split the earnings with the owner and the owner does not pay day money, so the trainer is absorbing all the costs in hopes of the horse making a check.

This is not a sound business practice, but it happens a lot. Just saying.

#2079

I keep reading and re-reading your posts PDR, and curious for your reasoning on writing here.
You openly state you support slaughter –
You openly feel its someone elses responsibility to adopt, rehome, retrain retiring horses, in any condition they may be; not the owner’s responsibility.
You have confessed for SB of her past actions sending horses to slaughter, with knowledge. (changing now doesnt change the past)
You dont seem to feel past actions need accountability

and you are lacking a platform.

Did I miss anything?
Oh yes, a thank you for validating SB’s actions which we all knew were factual, just needing a little more testimony.

#2080

Wow, just wow.

So you expect the general public to clean up the mess you and others are creating by unloading their horses after they have no use for them any longer?

Maybe sorts like yourself should get into a business that doesn’t involve living, breathing species.

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