Maybe Mr. Gill should start his own 501c3 not for profit retirement program. If he’s gone from 450 to 220 horses in the past few months I think he’d make a fine retirement executive since he can find homes for 230 horses in short of a time frame. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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He does not dump his horses at the farm near Barren Rd. For a very short time in 2008 when his claiming spree started he kept a few here (much to the dismay of some of the people that have been here for many years) until the people that were renting stalls from him at Elk Creek Ranch could find other places to keep their horses. I am definatly not a supporter of his practices but we don’t need rumours started about our beautiful,quiet little training center.[/QUOTE]
Not trying to start rumors at all. Just wanted to find out if the second farm that was mentioned in the discussion on the Paulick article existed or not. Thanks for clarifying. 
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Not trying to start rumors at all. Just wanted to find out if the second farm that was mentioned in the discussion on the Paulick article existed or not. Thanks for clarifying. :)[/QUOTE]
Sorry for being so rude earlier but the poster on the PR just does not have the facts. Farm owner rented a few stalls to Tim Hooper (who is a very nice guy) in 2008 in which he put some horses which he had claimed for MG. If he had any after that they must have been tied to trees out in the woods (just kidding). They only stayed for a couple of months. Tim left 2 behind when he left but a girl came and bought them as riding horses a couple of months later. I have stabled at this farm for 15 years and galloped horses for the farm owner for many years before that. He keeps a beautiful place and does not let people dump their slaughterbound horses. There are several people on this BB that have been here and know what a nice place it is.
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Sorry for being so rude earlier but the poster on the PR just does not have the facts. Farm owner rented a few stalls to Tim Hooper (who is a very nice guy) in 2008 in which he put some horses which he had claimed for MG. If he had any after that they must have been tied to trees out in the woods (just kidding). They only stayed for a couple of months. Tim left 2 behind when he left but a girl came and bought them as riding horses a couple of months later. I have stabled at this farm for 15 years and galloped horses for the farm owner for many years before that. He keeps a beautiful place and does not let people dump their slaughterbound horses. There are several people on this BB that have been here and know what a nice place it is.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t think you were rude earlier at all. That’s the downfall of the internet - gossip spreads so quickly! Glad to get the facts
Anthony Adamo’s wife has posted a rebuttal on the Paulick Report, in case anyone is interested. It’s Comment # 94 under the “What Have I done so wrong?” story.
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Anthony Adamo’s wife has posted a rebuttal on the Paulick Report, in case anyone is interested. It’s Comment # 94 under the “What Have I done so wrong?” story.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Gill serves the same kind of Kool Aid Pat Parelli does?
It should be easy for Mr. Gill to provide names and contact info for the horses he has sold for a buck. Hope someone at Penn is looking into that. As someone who is involved in re-homing retired TBs, for money or for free, I can attest to the reality of finding “good homes” (boy, isn’t that a subjective term?!) for the best of them. Mr. Gill is full of canal water if he thinks that people are so easily fooled into thinking that he has gone out of his way to find “good homes” for his rejects.
“Why don’t you like me?” He seriously asked Paulick that?? Clearly the guy isn’t just cruel, he’s pathetic.
Hey, Mr. Gill: why don’t you like your horses?
God… I drive up and down those roads almost every day. I’m by no means connected to the racing world besides having a few OTTBs and a good friend who gallops at Fair Hill and has a lay up farm in Oxford (not the dumping ground for MG’s cripples so !)
As someone who loves OTTBs I feel like i’ve been living under a rock with all of this going on so close to me. :no:
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(not to mention how traumatized I was when I saw my first break down on a track, being maybe 12 years old…)[/QUOTE]
You have boiled down to its barest essence what is wrong with horse racing.
People love racing for the beauty of the horse. People hate racing for the trauma to the horse.
Not to mention the trauma to their children -
People who love racing are almost always introduced to the track by older relatives & have great memories - they say I went to the track with my Dad & hung out with his friends & it was so cool to be there. Now, parents won’t take their kids to the track, to avoid exposing them to this cruel side of the sport.
When Eight Belles broke down & Matt Lauer (normally a pretty calm guy) interviewed Larry Jones the next day, I was surprised at his accusatory tone - until Matt Lauer said he was watching the race with his son - and was put in the uncomfortable position of explaining to a distraught child what happened. He definitely held it against Larry.
It’s always about the horse. The Michael Gills of the world will never understand that. And racing will die a slow death, until the racing powers-that-be get it.
(And I’m talking about the general public - there’s a comnpletely different angst for the horse’s connections.)
While I don’t currently have a horse at the track, I do have an owner’s license in PA & Penn is my closest track. I don’t especially mind it being condemned as a 3rd rate track. I DO mind when it is not safe for horse or jockey.
I hope the Penn jockey colony stands its ground & I hope everyone supports them.
Well around here you can’t take a kid to the track because ZOMG they GAMBLE…
I mean, we as a whole have removed ourselves from much of real life.
A catastrophic breakdown is part of it.
It just should not be seen as business as usual and carelessly being put in the writeoff column.
The horse - I can still see it as it was yesterday - stepped into a rabbit hole.
The it got away from the track staff and cantered 3 legged to the back side, leg swinging. The owner was like us a small guy who owned and trained, pretty much along side us.
But this character not only uses horses to further his ambition like they are cars, he also uses other people’s horses and is playing Russian Roulette with his Jockeys and the 10 or so other guys in the field. That is almost criminal!
Can someone explain to me the manner in which Penn reports and records breakdown stats?
And specifically, what is NOT recorded?
Thanks.
There must be a way to compile a list of horses that end up at rescues from him. That would be a pretty clear picture of his regard for where his horses end up after their racing careers.
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Can someone explain to me the manner in which Penn reports and records breakdown stats?
And specifically, what is NOT recorded?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
What are NOT recorded are horses that are eased, pulled up, vanned off, or break down in the morning. Only those horses that suffer catastrophic breakdowns during a race and are euthanized are reported.
By the way, The Jockey Club has an “Equine Injury Database,” of which Penn National is a part of. However, I once called TJC to find out specific info on breakdowns at Penn, and I was told info on individual racetracks wasn’t available. Here is the link:
Once again, I think the gambling resources are your best bet. I think not much happens at a track they don’t hear about.
I could’ve SWORN that the chart from Jan 23rd didn’t mention Laughing Moon’s breakdown - that it said he weakened, but didn’t mention the fall. Just checked it again, and now it says he weakened and fell after the finish line… am I nuts, or was it changed? Is it even possible to change a chart once it’s been “published”?
2Boys, I highly doubt any of his horses end up at “rescue” facilities. It is far more likely that they are moved wholesale to Canada. There is no possible way that the horses he has acquired that are no longer racing have found “good homes”. No.possible.way.
We cross posted AppJ, I think you’re right. I remember checking the chart and seeing that the horse finished third and no mention of anything untoward happening to Laughing Moon during or after the race. Hmmmm.
That chart footnote for Laughing Moon did NOT originally mention she “weakend and fell.” Apparently Equibase must have intentionally changed it after the omission was widely reported in the press.
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2Boys, I highly doubt any of his horses end up at “rescue” facilities. It is far more likely that they are moved wholesale to Canada. There is no possible way that the horses he has acquired that are no longer racing have found “good homes”. No.possible.way.[/QUOTE]
With the number of horses who “vanish” from Gill’s barns ever year, I’d think I’d be pretty aware of horses going into retirement programs at Suffolk… but… I think Gill “takes care of his own problems” much of the time…
I’m so glad they did change the chart - I was confused as heck when I looked at it this morning!!
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Maybe Gill serves the same kind of Kool Aid Pat Parelli does?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that’s a fair comparison. :rolleyes:
