No you are right, I was wrong about that, I was thinking of someone else. He is just a regular asshat.
BTW Mr Gill, it only libel if its a LIE. The truth sets everyone free.
So, now heās challenged a throw-down?! Holy frickinā crap! This guy is just begging for a public smackdown! Iād like to enlist all BBers to watch some old movies, e.g. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Miracle on 34th St., etc., to gain passion for the persuasion of public opinion. Let us not bow down to the spectre of lawsuits and Mr. Gill stomping his feet and demanding our respect and friendship! If this guy is going to be run out of town on a rail, it will take universal, unilateral support from everyone who has his number.
Mr. Gill loves power, loves money, loves winning. He doesnāt care what it takes to achieve those goals. Letās be united in showing that the racing world isnāt comprised of people who are woven from the same cloth. Somewhere along the line, heās been given the nod-nod, wink-wink that heās a-okay. Not so much, Michael. We recognize you for what you are.
The Paulick Report has me hooked (and posting)ā¦ better than a soap opera, and very sad that most of the info is true.
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Yeah, thatās a fair comparison. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
They are both egotistical attention-hogging unreasonable business men. Neither of whom have much regard for the equines they use to make their money. They also have an amazing way of brainwashing their followers into thinking what they do is the only way.
Granted, the methods and levels of abuse are different, but I donāt think they are all that different when it comes down to fundamentals.
But Iām not here to debate PP. If youād like to know why I have the opinion of him that I do, feel free to PM me.
I have such a mountain of evidence on Michael Gill and his operation that I dare him to come to this board because I will destroy him by myself. I have posted hardly anything about some of the other things I know for true to be fact. Iāll post one now. How come after a Gill horse was claimed from Delahoussaye by John Conner - WHITE BALANCE - did the stewards have to intervene? Because there was no coggins or a bad coggins on file and the horse ran when it should have been scratched. The penalty to Delahoussaye? He had to pay for a new coggins. What a freakin joke. Can someone here please tell me what would have happened if this same scenario took place at Belmont?
The irony is when I started this thread I did not hate the man, but I started to follow things like a reporter and my, what I would call lack of respect for the man, turned into other feelings when I saw how he was letting things run at Penn. All the cripples training in the morning - there was one instance where the outrider made them take a cripple back to the barn who was out for a jog. The Paulick Report had the story first I believe so congrats to Ray for breaking it. Iāve lost respect for the Bloodhorse and Thoroughred Times who seem content to let others break the news for them. Just threw my renewal for the Bloodhorse in todayās garbage because of it.
There are other bad apples, some are racing at Penn and you all probably know who they are, but you gotta start somewhere and I can think of no better scapegoat in racing than Michael Gill. Iāve never seen people act so āmatter of factā when one of their horses break down than the Gill camp at Penn. Just about every other trainer who has had one break down show concern, often cry, Gill goes to his Excel sheet and highlights the cell for Barn 5, Stall 32, then presses the delete button and asks Cole which horse is juiced up and ready to come to Penn to take itās spot. Absolutely disgusting.
Dick, if I ever make it to Penn, I am buying you a drink.
Itās so refreshing to have someone who has the guts to stand up for what is right and not try to gloss the ugly things over to make them look less ugly.
Or how about even using the groups out there in existence to help in the first place? There are definitely options, and I have never heard of him using one.
Can ANYBODY produce a gill-owned horse that is alive and in a second career (ie, not totally eaten up and destroyed) from the previous year?
Allie,
I think you should expose Gill. SOmeone from your sector of the world needs to step and and show photos/video of Gill horses taken from Kill Pens by rescuers.
Is this what Gill calls a successful rehoming??
http://forums.delphiforums.com/alexbrown/messages?msg=44999.5
Someone on the Paulick Report was saying they had one. But I canāt imagine anyone who knows anything going to pick up one of his horses as any kind of serious prospect (WHO wants a horse thatās had a myectomy if it didnāt necessarily need it, for example).
If I wasnāt swamped at my real job Iād go do the āanimal angelsā type of investigation and just sit there outside the farm and then follow one of the outgoing trucks.
That said, apparently we have a Gill horse listed on CANTER right now. Won his last race at Mountaineer and hasnāt done anything since.
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Can ANYBODY produce a gill-owned horse that is alive and in a second career (ie, not totally eaten up and destroyed) from the previous year?[/QUOTE]
Actually, I can (and it almost pains me to do it!). My friends purchased a horse Gill actually bred back in '06. He had 10 starts, and somehow, is 100% sound. I donāt know if itās the trainer he was with or what, but heās a lovely horse with no issuesā¦ Soā¦ there are a couple. But I do know they had to pay alot of money for him, and he wasnāt running all that well soā¦ Gill knew how to get his moneyās worth even in selling the horse.
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Dick, if I ever make it to Penn, I am buying you a drink.
Itās so refreshing to have someone who has the guts to stand up for what is right and not try to gloss the ugly things over to make them look less ugly.[/QUOTE]
Me too!
bred the horse in 06, or bought the horse in 06?
If bought in 06, that doesnāt fit the criteria Iām inquiring about. Iām certain there are some out there who slipped through the Gill grip, but the amount of horses heading direct to kill so that trainers and owners donāt get in trouble is staggering right now. Itās awfully easy to ādisappearā or āretireā a horse without it ever being heard from again.
If they get on the trucks, they are not seen againāand Iām not talking about going to the sales, they go directly to kill, with orders to do so from the trainers.
It seems you canāt go anywhere in Grantville these days without tripping over a āGill rumorā. He is quite the talk of the town. So, SO runs across someone today who lives not far from Gill and claims to have first hand knowlege of horses being shipped to Canada.
Which begs my question - Iām sure someone here knows the answer - what kind of documentation do horses need to cross the border? Are any records kept? Can an individual owner haul horses across the line directly to the plant or do only āmeat driversā have a license to do this?
If they are going directly to the slaughterhouse, they do not need a coggins or health certificate. However, they do need a USDA sticker, proving they have been inspected by a USDA vet. AND the truck is supposed to be sealed at the border (although I think Animal Angels has proven that was not always the case). If regulations have changed, I am not aware of it.
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bred the horse in 06, or bought the horse in 06?
If bought in 06, that doesnāt fit the criteria Iām inquiring about. Iām certain there are some out there who slipped through the Gill grip, but the amount of horses heading direct to kill so that trainers and owners donāt get in trouble is staggering right now. Itās awfully easy to ādisappearā or āretireā a horse without it ever being heard from again.
If they get on the trucks, they are not seen againāand Iām not talking about going to the sales, they go directly to kill, with orders to do so from the trainers.[/QUOTE]
Gill bred the horse who was foaled in 2003, he raced 10 times under Gillās ownership, and my friends bought him in 2006. Used him as a sporthorse stud until he was gelded last year and sold as a hunter/jumper, I believe. He was purchased while still racing, so hadnāt had the chance to be broken down and thrown away yetā¦
But I donāt know of anyone who has gotten a sound Gill horse from auction/rescue/kill pen.
Edited to add: I donāt know if he had throat surgery or not.
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If they are going directly to the slaughterhouse, they do not need a coggins or health certificate. However, they do need a USDA sticker, proving they have been inspected by a USDA vet. AND the truck is supposed to be sealed at the border (although I think Animal Angels has proven that was not always the case). If regulations have changed, I am not aware of it.[/QUOTE]
Do they get inspected at the border, or at the farm they farm/feed lot they are being shipped from?
Not sure, because most of the examples given were auction horses.
If inspected at the border, it is very cursoryā¦ I have read that the Canadian vets donāt even come out of the building sometimes.
Auction horses get their USDA stickers at the auction site, not at the border. Maybe having a USDA vet come to the farm would be a bit ādangerousā? Or, if a KB gets them at the farm, maybe he has the USDA vet come to his farm prior to shipping to Canada.
ETA: I wonder if people (like Marli) who deal with Don N. would know if USDA inspectors go to his farmā¦
We are missing old County in this one. He knew of several ways how to cross without being seen.
I mean, itās not rocket science, the horses leave the track and got XYZ farm in whoknowswhere, not back to elk creek. Not a lot the officials can do, since they obviously donāt give a crap what is happening, not on the track a certainly not off the grounds.
Maybe out West, there are lots of ways not to get caught, not so much from NY, ME or VT, going into Canada. Some of the smaller roads have been closed and a truck and trailer would not take those anyway.
His āprivateā drivers are probably well known KBs who have the license and paperwork/vet certificates and go directly from their farm/intermediary farm to Qc. Sad for sure!
