Business As Usual

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=SleepyFox;4666452]
Who’s the owner?? And, more importantly, who do you publicly crucify for this one? If Delahoussaye is running the shed is it his fault? Or, is it Burdewicz since it’s his license? Or, is the owner really calling the shots? Maybe it would be best to just go for the trifecta and go after them all?[/QUOTE]

The ills of racing have been kept quiet for way too long and I am sorry that someone like you who is involved in the game seems to disagree. If you have a problem with what is reported - and you seem to conveniently disregard my positive posts about Penn’s recent actions - then maybe you should save yourself the angst of reading what’s posted. If you were here and saw what many have seen you would likely agree. After all, you were the one who was valiantly defending Cole Norman for being a great horseman.

I’ve reread our exchanges on this board and I can smile when reading old posts because I’ve reported facts that have been backed up by resulting actions. In about 3 weeks, you’ll take back ever calling Cole Norman a good horseman.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I just want Penn National to become a great racing product and I strongly believe this can be attained by implementing some change that would be easy quite frankly. I’m encouraged by the change I’ve seen this week.

And if you want my opinion of Delahoussaye, I’ll give it. I believe that given his history he has no right to be in charge of horses, whether he is training them, a foreman, a hot walker or a stall mucker. There comes a point where you make mistakes and everyone deserves a 2nd and maybe a 3rd chance, but given his record of run ins with various racing jurisdictions and his apparent blatant disregard for rules or the well being of the horses, he should be called to the carpet when he’s associated with horses breaking down.

Would you send a horse you owned to be trained by him?

Delahoussaye v. Ohio State Racing Commission

Ohio Court of Appeals

UNPUBLISHED, 2004 WL 1445951

June 29, 2004

Summary of Opinion

Plaintiff Delahoussaye is a licensed race horse owner and trainer, whose license was suspended for possession and use of an electrical speed enhancement device on a horse. In this opinion, the Court of Appeals upholds the suspension. A veterinarian witnessed administration of an electrical shock during training and the plaintiff was found with the instrument in his possession.

Text of Opinion

In these consolidated appeals, appellant, Darrel Delahoussaye, appeals from two judgments of the Franklin County Court of Common Pleas affirming an order of the appellee, The Ohio State Racing Commission (“commission”), that sanctioned appellant for his possession and use of an electric instrument on the grounds of a race track. For the following reasons, we affirm those judgments.

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http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/racing/delahoussaye.htm

I guess the VETERINARIANS who witnessed the shock treatment of the horse at Beulah were just out to get Delahoussaye?

[Stellaspeed]

Not Quite SF

[QUOTE=SleepyFox;4666439]
If you’re going to indirectly quote me, at least get the gist of what I said correct:

Isn’t that pretty much what’s happening?

"One of our own COTH’ers who trains at Penn is working on putting together a list of horses at Penn and the farm for sale.

The list might be shorteer than we think, told me last night that Daryl Delahoussaye got $300. a head for about 20 or so who were vanned off premises on a one way trip to Canada when they got wind the proverbial sh** hit was coming. " (From Judybigredpony)

Let’s see SF, between these 20 or so, and the 20 or so who appeared and then disappeared at New Holland, it doesn’t look like your version of events IS what’s occuring.

[brightskyfarm]

[QUOTE=Hilltopfarmva;4665748]
this is just sad and then the dumping of horses at kill auctions is beyond reproach. Humanely euthanize them and spare them the hell they are going to endure on the way to slaughter.

    really? you think just killing them and dumping into the pit is the answer?

[DickHertz]

Brightskyfarm, what are you referring to about killing them and dumping into pit?

[frugalannie]

@SleepyFox;4666439

I find that dichotomy odd, too, OnTheFarm. I see an awful lot of people on COTH talking about how Poopsiekins NEEDS his regular Legend injections so that he can continue to jump around a course comfortably. And that’s just fine with everyone - as long as Poopsiekins is a show horse. But, if Poopsiekins is a racehorse, well then he’d better never be medicated.

There is a big difference between the responsible use of medication - that’s just good horsemanship - and the abuse of medication. I don’t know why people don’t see that difference when it comes to racing.

I’d never argue with treating a horse appropriately for any malady. The question becomes, should a horse with a malady (whatever it is) be asked for maximum performance, particularly if it can’t feel that it is compromised in some way.

Poopsiekins (a great name, BTW) just might be an old trouper, teaching a kid the ropes on a course a quarter the size of what he did in his prime. He’ll probably know how to protect himself and use the minimum amount of energy. And even if this description doesn’t fit, the fact remains that the H/J discipline is changing its drug policies to come closer to the FEI standard of zero tolerance. The Poopsiekins of the world may find themselves retiring much sooner than they used to.

One of the most admirable things about a race horse is it’s absolute focus and committment on running. We know they’ll run through pain, even try to go on through catastrophic injuries, and we laud their heart. It’s up to us to prevent as many injuries to these athletes as possible. Appropriate medication and therapy shouldn’t be an issue: racing a horse with an injury and using meds and therapies to disguise it risks that horse, the others in the race and the jockeys.

[lily04]

[QUOTE=DickHertz;4666674]
Brightskyfarm, what are you referring to about killing them and dumping into pit?[/QUOTE] You really don’t know?

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=lily04;4666687]
You really don’t know?[/QUOTE]

yes, but why do I have to be the only one to say what happens?

[lily04]

[QUOTE=DickHertz;4666695]
yes, but why do I have to be the only one to say what happens?[/QUOTE]
To anyone that would like to know, horses have been shipped from ECR to various racetracks specifically to be euthanized. This saves MG the $185 it costs to have them pickd up at the farm. This was confirmed by the state vet.

[On_the_Farm]

[QUOTE=BeverlyAStrauss;4666467]
No way to know but I wouldnt be surprised if these are very compromised horses that are being dumped and quickly. No whipping up a frenzy here, just facts.[/QUOTE] I guess you could say that “no way to know” is factual. The rest is just opinion.

[On_the_Farm]

[QUOTE=frugalannie;4666675]
I’d never argue with treating a horse appropriately for any malady. The question becomes, should a horse with a malady (whatever it is) be asked for maximum performance, particularly if it can’t feel that it is compromised in some way.

Poopsiekins (a great name, BTW) just might be an old trouper, teaching a kid the ropes on a course a quarter the size of what he did in his prime. He’ll probably know how to protect himself and use the minimum amount of energy. And even if this description doesn’t fit, the fact remains that the H/J discipline is changing its drug policies to come closer to the FEI standard of zero tolerance. The Poopsiekins of the world may find themselves retiring much sooner than they used to.

One of the most admirable things about a race horse is it’s absolute focus and committment on running. We know they’ll run through pain, even try to go on through catastrophic injuries, and we laud their heart. It’s up to us to prevent as many injuries to these athletes as possible. Appropriate medication and therapy shouldn’t be an issue: racing a horse with an injury and using meds and therapies to disguise it risks that horse, the others in the race and the jockeys.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your opnion on disguising a serious injury and medication rules are geared for that. What concerns me is this notion of no medications allowed at all, even for routine and legitimate care.

A real life example would be a filly I took in during my time at Penn. She shipped in from Delaware with a bad attitude and the report that she was “weak behind.” That was an understatement as on her first day with me under tack, she couldn’t even jog a half mile. I saw some things in her way of going that troubled me, so we did a lameness exam with our vet, plotted a course of action in both training AND suitable medications (EPM, regumate, and a course of azium.) We took our time and after a month this filly was in fine form and a much happier horse. Unfortunately I never got to run her myself as I moved back home, BUT she won two in a row after my departure. I make no apologies to ANYONE here over the job I did with her.

[Nyminute09]

[QUOTE=lily04;4666705]
To anyone that would like to know, horses have been shipped from ECR to various racetracks specifically to be euthanized. This saves MG the $185 it costs to have them pickd up at the farm. This was confirmed by the state vet.[/QUOTE
it all depends on the track! i know first hand that at philadelphia park if your horse is breaks down and is put down on the track or immediately afterwards- the track will pay the disposal cost, but if the horse dies or is euthanized days later, or for anything not race related- the owner is charged the disposal fee! so gill wouldnt have taken them to philly as he would be charged the disposal fee for every horse put down outside of injury on the track!

[BeverlyAStrauss]

Maybe the “20 or so” that DD sold to Canada were the same bunch that showed up at NH, maybe not…again the NH horses were not accessible for any ID…

[BeverlyAStrauss]

[QUOTE=On the Farm;4666815]
I guess you could say that “no way to know” is factual. The rest is just opinion.[/QUOTE]

And the facts are that a group of TBs were tagged and shuffled off. Maybe these are the same group that DD sold to Canada, maybe not. No one will know.

[Stellaspeed]

[QUOTE=BeverlyAStrauss;4666965]
Maybe the “20 or so” that DD sold to Canada were the same bunch that showed up at NH, maybe not…again the NH horses were not accessible for any ID…[/QUOTE]

Either way Bev, 20,40, Canada, New Holland, Gill is a POS. Any other farms or tracks in the area missing 20 horses all at once ?

[brightskyfarm]

[QUOTE=lily04;4666705]
To anyone that would like to know, horses have been shipped from ECR to various racetracks specifically to be euthanized. This saves MG the $185 it costs to have them pickd up at the farm. This was confirmed by the state vet.[/QUOTE]

 sorry, no lilyo4, 

find that action a bit doubtful… no facts to
suspect any of that is true.

[lily04]

[QUOTE=brightskyfarm;4667033]
sorry, no lilyo4, i had no knowledge of such a thing…
and find that action a bit doubtful… no facts to
suspect any of that is true.[/QUOTE]

Confirmed by the state vet.

[minnie]

I don’t think anyone’s advocating that you shouldn’t use any kind of maintenance meds ever, just that they should be withheld a minimum of 3-4 days prior to racing. Longer with something like shockwave therapy. A horse can’t take care of him/herself if they can’t feel any pain or if the pain is disguised. They’ll run through a lot with just adrenaline (along with a jockey whipping them) alone, but hopefully, if they’re not treated with anything they’ll pull themselves up, so to speak, so that they end up injured, but not catastrophically.

[FalseImpression]

I am just wondering what will happen with in July 2010 (beginning or end can’t remember), Canada will implement the 6 month quarantine required by the EU. They won’t be able to ship them directly to Canada. Maybe they’ll try to get their dirty work done quickly before that… but what will happen then?

I am so sick of knowing that Canada is the dumping grounds for all these poor horses and any protest, comment, email to the powers that be here fall on deaf ears. I am hoping many Europeans get sick over the meat containing all these meds…

[Creaghgal]

[QUOTE=FalseImpression;4667188]
I am hoping many Europeans get sick over the meat containing all these meds…[/QUOTE]

Or their cats… & dogs… my family & their beloved pets excluded of course.

[SleepyFox]

[QUOTE=DickHertz;4666563]
In about 3 weeks, you’ll take back ever calling Cole Norman a good horseman.[/QUOTE]

Dick, you’ve been trying to crucify Cole Norman because of his criminal past - for which he’s served his time. And, I stand by the fact that has nothing to do with his ability as a horseman.

I also stand by my opinion that if you have a problem with people at Penn, then there are more appropriate venues than anonymously posting on an Internet forum. Plus, the majority of the attack has been rooted in rumor without supporting proof. I’m not saying the rumors aren’t true, but supporting factual evidence would be good.

And, no, I haven’t commented on your backhanded praise of Penn, since it’s been just that - backhanded.