many trainers suffer horses breaking down
i.ve never heard of so many breakdowns in such a short period. at our track i don.t think we had 6 total all season mornings and afternoons,and we have as many sore horses as any other track.
one would wonder if they shouldnāt take a good look at the track itself.
what about ādrugsā not allowed. Horses testing positive for oxy, and othersā¦ What about epigin(sp).? Who are the vets, or āhorsemenā that have that in their little black bags?
List of recent works by Gill horses posted on TBC
http://thoroughbredchampions.com/forum/index.php?topic=40532.15
Also I was told by another rescuer that 12-15 TBs were tagged and transferred between trailers back to back in the parking lot at the New Holland auction on Monday afternoon- witnessed by several people, horses were moved quickly and no access allowed. Of course, TBs have gone underground and no access granted since this āzero tolerance policyā was announcedā¦but you hate to see a big bunch at once.
[QUOTE=BeverlyAStrauss;4665590]
List of recent works by Gill horses posted on TBC
http://thoroughbredchampions.com/forum/index.php?topic=40532.15
Also I was told by another rescuer that 12-15 TBs were tagged and transferred between trailers back to back in the parking lot at the New Holland auction on Monday afternoon- witnessed by several people, horses were moved quickly and no access allowed. Of course, TBs have gone underground and no access granted since this āzero tolerance policyā was announcedā¦but you hate to see a big bunch at once.[/QUOTE]
That is very disturbing, Bev, and really heartbreaking. So sorry to hear this.
Mystery New Holland horses
[QUOTE=BeverlyAStrauss;4665590]
List of recent works by Gill horses posted on TBC
http://thoroughbredchampions.com/forum/index.php?topic=40532.15
Also I was told by another rescuer that 12-15 TBs were tagged and transferred between trailers back to back in the parking lot at the New Holland auction on Monday afternoon- witnessed by several people, horses were moved quickly and no access allowed. Of course, TBs have gone underground and no access granted since this āzero tolerance policyā was announcedā¦but you hate to see a big bunch at once.[/QUOTE]
Careful, you might get accused of whipping up frenzied hysteria, you know, all of us non horse people who might be willing to give one a homeā¦ so much for Gillās horses being worth tooooo much for an adoption.
[QUOTE=lily04;4664539]
Azium, banamine, robaxin, vetalog, ventapulmin and nacwasone:lol:can not be used within 48 hours in PA. Iām not sure about some of the others. My copy of the PA rule book is very old but it states that nothing is to be administered once entry has been made.[/QUOTE]
last I heard was that banamine robaxin, azium and others are 48 hours out. Bute 24 hours out. You can get a little closer if you use lasix and an adjunct to piss it out before being tested. This is why most trainers will oppose any ban to lasix on raceday or within 3 days of. In order for racing to clean up itās act in this country, it needs to clean up the ālegalā drugs. Iām just about out of racing. These last 10 years have been a real eye opener and I am disgusted. My racebred foals are heading to the show ring. I have two client, 1 horse each that I will race drug free as I did all mine and won a few. this is just sad and then the dumping of horses at kill auctions is beyond reproach. Humanely euthanize them and spare them the hell they are going to endure on the way to slaughter. I am disgusted!
[QUOTE=Hilltopfarmva;4665748]
This is why most trainers will oppose any ban to lasix on raceday or within 3 days of. QUOTE]
I did not use lasix for most horses until 3 years ago when one was claimed from me and the trainer told me his owner claimed the horse because I did not use it and they could improve him with lasix. I now give min. allowed of 2cc. I would rather not but donāt want to have another claimed because someone thinks they can improve it with medication.
then Lily04, youāve given us the answer why there is such widespread drug useā¦
[QUOTE=brightskyfarm;4666130]
then Lily04, youāve given us the answer why there is such widespread drug useā¦ its to keep upā¦ and it gets worse as the drugs improveā¦so, bsshoer has the answerā¦
noneā¦/then everyone would be racing a horse on pure talent, training, and ability.
in an ideal world
ps; why not just let the word out you use drugs and race without? if thats your preference.[/QUOTE]
Lasix is listed on a horses PPās so it is public knowledge if I run without it. If trainer hadnāt told me reason they claimed my horse I wouldnāt use it today.
2cc is the min allowed and they do test for lasix levels so for now I have to go with that.
You Can Buy A Gill Horse
[QUOTE=Stellaspeed;4665681]
Careful, you might get accused of whipping up frenzied hysteria, you know, all of us non horse people who might be willing to give one a homeā¦ so much for Gillās horses being worth tooooo much for an adoption.[/QUOTE]
I was AT Elk Creek Ranch this week to pick up a purchased horse.
Drive over between say 10 and 1. Ask for Anothony Adamo, the nice gentleman who loaded up the horse told me āWe Have Horses To Sell, Come Backā.
So pocket you attitude take cash n trailer. As I always say āput your money where your mouth isā.
I would NOT go in a mass hysteria, would NOT go with a Major hard on and run your mouths collectively, just look select pay load up n leave.
I had to run on lasix when I had clients send me horses that were running on it. I weaned them off and had them scoped after a work at the track without it and the vet let me take them off. They ran much better without it and recovery time was quick. I could have run those girls again in a few days they bounced back so well. Lasix depletes the body of essential electrolytes and other minerals. My gut tells me that giving it to 2 yr olds that are still developing bone density, it depletes those bone building minerals and thatās why our young TBās legs seem to be so fragile these days. A study really should be done about that. I just donāt think it is a good thing. I think it is a way to hide illegal or ālegalā substances given close to raceday. Why is it that in the rest of the world, lasix is not permitted?
[QUOTE=judybigredpony;4666153]
I was AT Elk Creek Ranch this week to pick up a purchased horse.
Drive over between say 10 and 1. Ask for Anothony Adamo, the nice gentleman who loaded up the horse told me āWe Have Horses To Sell, Come Backā.
So pocket you attitude take cash n trailer. As I always say āput your money where your mouth isā.
I would NOT go in a mass hysteria, would NOT go with a Major hard on and run your mouths collectively, just look select pay load up n leave.[/QUOTE]
That was exactly my point earlier, that NOBODY has gone into orbit, that collectively everybody has respectfully waited for the respective agencies or insiders to point the way . What was mentioned earlier by another poster was that it was very UNLIKELY that any of Gillās horses would be priced reasonably enough for the CANTER type of buyer to inquire about.
by the way, did Calgarian ever find a home ? I wa very tempted to take him !
[QUOTE=BeverlyAStrauss;4665590]
List of recent works by Gill horses posted on TBC
http://thoroughbredchampions.com/forum/index.php?topic=40532.15
Also I was told by another rescuer that 12-15 TBs were tagged and transferred between trailers back to back in the parking lot at the New Holland auction on Monday afternoon- witnessed by several people, horses were moved quickly and no access allowed. Of course, TBs have gone underground and no access granted since this āzero tolerance policyā was announcedā¦but you hate to see a big bunch at once.[/QUOTE]Who was the source of these horses?
[QUOTE=SleepyFox;4664134]
It looks like youāre trying to say your entire list is present in the majority of horses - and thatās just not remotely true. Itās a list of common medications - probably similar to what youād see in an performance horse tack room - but not a typical regimine for a horse in training.
Secondly, very little on that list is allowed on raceday. Lasix and adjunct, calcium, a jug, and bute or banamine is about it.
If youāre going to educate, make it clear.:)[/QUOTE]
Excellent points. I had the great pleasure to work for a respected hunter farm back in the nineties who campaigned a zone horse of the year. During his campaign, he had joints injected, received anti-inflammatories when needed, along with any other med involved with the routine care of a horse. These were people who would bad mouth racing at the drop of a hat.
Racing is not a benign activity. Itās one of the most physically demanding things that can be asked of a horse. Simply saying that doing away with meds will solve all problems is not realistic, nor humane. Odd that someone can give a couple of grams of bute to olā Dobbin after doing a couple extra lessons, but here the opinion is advocated that if a horse is a little stiff the day after a hard race, then a trainer should not be allowed to give the animal routine veterinary care.
I will agree that overuse of legal meds exists on the backstretch and Iām a strong advocate that meds should be administered on an āas neededā basis and not lining up the barn to receive this or that as part of some āprogram.ā Alot of the maladies, particularly EIPH, existed long before todayās generation of meds, so the position that solving problems by doing away with veterinary care is simply invalid.
[QUOTE=DickHertz;4664986]
Darrell Delahoussaye had a horse break down during training this morning. Horse was euthanized.
Note: The horse may be officially trained by Jay Burdewicz as Delahoussaye is overseeing horses for him.[/QUOTE]
Well, how interesting who Mr. Burdewicz has chosen to jump into bed with. I know for a fact that he came to Penn only a short time ago from Sufferinā Downs in Boston where he was Marcus Vitalliās assistant. Vitalli was Michael Gillās trainer in Boston. So it comes as no surprise that Mr. Budewicz would choose to associate himself with Delahoussaye. A leopard does not change his spots and birds of a feather flock together. However instead of being fowl this time, it just smells FOUL. Is Michael Gill truly gone or is he still lurking in the shadows here at Penn, directing his marionettes?:eek:
[QUOTE=Stellaspeed;4666208]
What was mentioned earlier by another poster was that it was very UNLIKELY that any of Gillās horses would be priced reasonably enough for the CANTER type of buyer to inquire about. [/QUOTE]
If youāre going to indirectly quote me, at least get the gist of what I said correct:
heās got some horses that would be in the CANTER price range, but he has a lot of very viable runners - thereās no reason he wouldnāt sell those as racehorses or run them until they are claimed, as everyone else does when they disperse. Expecting his entire stable to be for sale for CANTER prices and in dire need of rescue is being overly dramatic.
Isnāt that pretty much whatās happening?
Odd that someone can give a couple of grams of bute to olā Dobbin after doing a couple extra lessons, but here the opinion is advocated that if a horse is a little stiff the day after a hard race, then a trainer should not be allowed to give the animal routine veterinary care.
I find that dichotomy odd, too, OnTheFarm. I see an awful lot of people on COTH talking about how Poopsiekins NEEDS his regular Legend injections so that he can continue to jump around a course comfortably. And thatās just fine with everyone - as long as Poopsiekins is a show horse. But, if Poopsiekins is a racehorse, well then heād better never be medicated.
There is a big difference between the responsible use of medication - thatās just good horsemanship - and the abuse of medication. I donāt know why people donāt see that difference when it comes to racing.
[QUOTE=DickHertz;4664986]
Darrell Delahoussaye had a horse break down during training this morning. Horse was euthanized.
Note: The horse may be officially trained by Jay Burdewicz as Delahoussaye is overseeing horses for him.[/QUOTE]
Whoās the owner?? And, more importantly, who do you publicly crucify for this one? If Delahoussaye is running the shed is it his fault? Or, is it Burdewicz since itās his license? Or, is the owner really calling the shots? Maybe it would be best to just go for the trifecta and go after them all?
[QUOTE=On the Farm;4666217]
Who was the source of these horses?[/QUOTE]
No way to know but I wouldnt be surprised if these are very compromised horses that are being dumped and quickly. No whipping up a frenzy here, just facts.
PETA asking PA state veterinary board for investigation
Great. Way to throw a spanner in the whole works, PETA. The state board will be reluctant to investigate now because no one wants to appear as if theyāve bowed to a demand from the PETA nutjobs.
