LOL–that’s fabulous.
What exactly is cobra venom supposed to do for a horse?
Cobra venom is approximately 1000 zillion times more potent than lidocaine at nerve blocking. Yes I made that number up but you get the idea!
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Now PETA is involved in the Gill case:
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2010/02/victory_for_horses.php[/QUOTE]
:sigh::rolleyes::rolleyes:
That’s just what racing needs… more exposure from PETA crazies.
Yes, something needs to be done, but PETA is more than a little extreme in their views…
And it is VERY illegal, impossible (I believe) to detect, and if you get a bad batch or hit the wrong spot, you might very well end up with a dead horse.
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i’am not saying these drugs aren’t useful (if used properly) i just put them up so the people who aren’t familar with what goes into these horses get some kind of idea that it dosn’t stop with bute and lasix.[/QUOTE]
It looks like you’re trying to say your entire list is present in the majority of horses - and that’s just not remotely true. It’s a list of common medications - probably similar to what you’d see in an performance horse tack room - but not a typical regimine for a horse in training.
Secondly, very little on that list is allowed on raceday. Lasix and adjunct, calcium, a jug, and bute or banamine is about it.
If you’re going to educate, make it clear.
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And it is VERY illegal, impossible (I believe) to detect, and if you get a bad batch or hit the wrong spot, you might very well end up with a dead horse.[/QUOTE]
These guys claim to have developed a testing kit for it. Supposed to available sometime this year… http://www.unisa.edu.au/researcher/issue/2009/october/mainstory.asp
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It looks like you’re trying to say your entire list is present in the majority of horses - and that’s just not remotely true. It’s a list of common medications - probably similar to what you’d see in an performance horse tack room - but not a typical regimine for a horse in training.
Secondly, very little on that list is allowed on raceday. Lasix and adjunct, calcium, a jug, and bute or banamine is about it.
If you’re going to educate, make it clear.:)[/QUOTE]
everything on that list is used within 48 hrs , and a lot of it on raceday.
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everything on that list is used within 48 hrs , and a lot of it on raceday.[/QUOTE]
Azium, banamine, robaxin, vetalog, ventapulmin and nacwasone:lol:can not be used within 48 hours in PA. I’m not sure about some of the others. My copy of the PA rule book is very old but it states that nothing is to be administered once entry has been made.
Lily is right - there is a bunch on there that can’t be used within 48 hours and very little that can be used within 24 hours. D Murray, looking at your post, people are going to think the vets are wheelinng suitcases full of syringes up to the stalls of horses about to run and if you’re involved in this industry you know that’s not the case.
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Azium, banamine, robaxin, vetalog, ventapulmin and nacwasone:lol:can not be used within 48 hours in PA. I’m not sure about some of the others. My copy of the PA rule book is very old but it states that nothing is to be administered once entry has been made.[/QUOTE]
Azium, Banamine can be given day before and not test positive. The rule book means nothing and reality means everything. Can’t give both bute and banamine. Clen can be given withing 48 hours if you aren’t someone who blasts them with the stuff (more than 10 cc’s a day) during maintenance use.
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Azium, Banamine can be given day before and not test positive. The rule book means nothing and reality means everything. Can’t give both bute and banamine. Clen can be given withing 48 hours if you aren’t someone who blasts them with the stuff (more than 10 cc’s a day) during maintenance use.[/QUOTE]
I’m sure you are right. I tend to be very conservative when it comes to medication. 30 years a few thousand starts and 0 positives.
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Lily is right - there is a bunch on there that can’t be used within 48 hours and very little that can be used within 24 hours. D Murray, looking at your post, people are going to think the vets are wheelinng suitcases full of syringes up to the stalls of horses about to run and if you’re involved in this industry you know that’s not the case.[/QUOTE]
i .don’t know the rules in PA, i haven’t raced there since it was called Liberty Bell, we use to run there and Garden State Park. i’am quoteing things as they are used in Canada , although i know a lot of trainers here that race there in the winter months and they love the easy Med rules there.
well i.ve been on the track since1971. over 34 years shoeing there and i.ve had a trainers licence since 1978. i.am there 7 days a week .don’t know how much more involved one could be. i never said every horse got all of these drugs i was just listing some of the drugs used. and yes most of them can be used raceday.
Darrell Delahoussaye had a horse break down during training this morning. Horse was euthanized.
Note: The horse may be officially trained by Jay Burdewicz as Delahoussaye is overseeing horses for him.
Penn Jockeys to Confront Managment about Delahoussaye
The last thing the jockeys at Penn want is another media spotlight, but they are not happy that the PA Racing Commission has asked them to give Darrell Delahoussaye another shot especially in light of this mornings events. Look for the jockeys to approach Penn and the Commission privately to resolve the issue, but this could be another mess at Penn National.
It should be noted that the Commission asked Adamo to leave while Delahoussaye’s break down rate was much higher.
Good for the jockeys! Keep us posted, Dick!
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The last thing the jockeys at Penn want is another media spotlight, but they are not happy that the PA Racing Commission has asked them to give Darrell Delahoussaye another shot especially in light of this mornings events. Look for the jockeys to approach Penn and the Commission privately to resolve the issue, but this could be another mess at Penn National.
It should be noted that the Commission asked Adamo to leave while Delahoussaye’s break down rate was much higher.[/QUOTE]
Is there any logic to the PA Racing Commission’s actions?
Do you think it’s a simple matter of them not knowing any better? Like the child who thinks his father is supposed to beat his wife?
Isn’t there a single person on that commission who views this (Delahoussaye types and nonstop breakdowns) as unacceptable?
I’ve only been to two of their meetings, but both times vets from New Bolton were advising them. That looked like a positive thing to me but apparently this good counsel does not register.
Those jockeys must be under tremendous pressure.
SE Powell, the Commission has no problem with Delahoussaye apparently.
It’s OK with them that they allow someone to train horses who was allegedly caught using an electrical devise to plug in a horse.
This Commission has shown that they are reactive more than proactive which results in the loss of horse’s lives and at some point a human’s life will be lost as a result of their gross negligence in cleaning up the sport in PA.
Rider hurt ?
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Darrell Delahoussaye had a horse break down during training this morning. Horse was euthanized.
Note: The horse may be officially trained by Jay Burdewicz as Delahoussaye is overseeing horses for him.[/QUOTE]
No mention of the rider’s condition or name of the horse…
[QUOTE=DickHertz;4665164]
SE Powell, the Commission has no problem with Delahoussaye apparently.
It’s OK with them that they allow someone to train horses who was allegedly caught using an electrical devise to plug in a horse.
This Commission has shown that they are reactive more than proactive which results in the loss of horse’s lives and at some point a human’s life will be lost as a result of their gross negligence in cleaning up the sport in PA.[/QUOTE]
How might they respond to public outcry from racing fans?
