Business As Usual

And I was told he went to a woman that they give all their horses to. But that I could not get him back, and that they meet the woman in a parking lot to transfer the horses.

OK so how do they contact the Mystery Buyer?? With carrier pigeons…oh wait the oijie board?

If Robert Cole owned the horse…how did Ms Beattie…er ummm Mrs Wells get permission to dispose of another persons personal property with out specificy asking said owner?

Wouldn’t the slaughter yard know who dropped the horse off??ie the consigner??

Has anyone asked CANTER how many horses the Beattie-Wells camp post for sale??

In fairness, while I don’t know how many they post with CANTER, they DO post some -

We called about a mare (who had just gotten on a truck to FL when we called - and I think that mare really DID go to FL because I saw her advertised as in foal & in Ocala the next year).

BUT
we also inquired about a younger gelding we’d bred & reminded them he had a home to come to, if he didn’t work for them & they needed the stall, & we’d pay/provide transport. He was given away within days of the conversation & not to us.

Naturally, we don’t know what happened & couldn’t prove any suspicions.

So he probably is a 4-H horse now.

[QUOTE=jenm;4894770]
Ohhhkaaaay…and the blog says this about the horse:

Results matching “valid trick rescued” from YDR Pets
Valid Trick rescued from slaughter
By Rose Hayes on April 3, 2009 5:58 PM | Permalink
Lost & Found Horse Rescue Foundation’s Pet of the Week is Valid Trick, a 4-year-old Thorougbhred gelding that was rescued from slaughter. He is kind and gentle; easy to ride.[/QUOTE]

All I can say is … wow.

Well, once again we are reminded how much Penn Gaming could care less about the horses. Today at 6:20am a horse broke a rear limb while on the track. In typical Penn National fashion there was no horse ambulance available to cart the horse off. Even worse, there were no state vets available as I’m sure Dr. Pack et al were enjoying their Saturday morning sleep. The horse had to be walked off for several hundred yards into a good samaritans barn who was the closest to the area. This place [edit] should be completely shut down and investigated by an independent counsel until safety measures are completely in place. As always, the slots come first, protecting their own on the hbpa come well ahead of the [edit] horses. !!! Shut this [edit] place down until the crap is flushed down the comode ! Chris McErlean you are a complete farce. You sit in your office and do nothing. Rob Marella you run around like a deer in headlights. Mr. Quigley, I wish you were backside today because not even your eyes would put up with this [edit]. Penn gaming is a complete disgrace to racing and the gaming control board should investigate whether Penn National is a safe place for horses - their actions say NO !!!

Business As Usual

Well, at least Jose Martinez who is and hbpa member was working hard this morning to get help. It would have been nice to see someone go knock on Marella’s door and wake him up !

Rob Marella has been in a slumber since he took his position at Penn. He is more concerned with what things are being said about him and finding new ways to protect people like Darrel Delahoussaye. He should be totally ashamed to walk in the racing office each day. but I suppose he enjoys chatting with people like Otto solis. [edit]

This type of incident isnt new — the policies in place for when a day training horse is hurt are unacceptable. As there are outriders & ambulance for the riders – there should be vets and van drivers for the horses … especially when this IS a common occurance.
And to leave an animal suffering for the length of time they do is horrific. When a horse is hurt, policy requires that trainers vet, not any vet will do, but that trainers vet to be in attendance ???— you wont find a (or any) vet anywhere early in the morning — and lucky to see one after break. Shame, shame!

  The trainers could change this by campaigning to the HPBA for better safety measures to be put in place for the horses.

  Maybe if they were next to a horse that just snapped a leg, floundering in pain......and its still there the next time you come around ..and looked at that poor horses eyes.....
    I know Ive had to look away for crying...

It is time to officially wake up, Penn National. When you can not provide the bare necessity’s associated with safety measures and humane horse treatment, the issue needs to be addressed immediately. Todays incident was nothing but unacceptable, and anyone with an ounce of sense or decency knows it.

How is it that other racing venues can provide the simple things to make it safer and lessen the burden on the horsemen but you refuse to do so? I’ll answer that— you don’t have one single solitary person in your organization that has any horse sense. And furthermore not one who through their actions has demonstrated the least bit of compassion for the animal. A horse ambulance and a veterinarian that can be quickly deployed to the racetrack during training hours at all times, are measures that you must implement today. Any repeat performance of today’s catastrope should net a large fine from the racing commission and put the heads of all leaders in the racing department on the chopping block. Even an absolute moron can understand that allowing a horse to needlessly be moved and suffer extended pain after a serious injury, is extremely cruel and senseless.

I do feel that there are caring members on our HBPA board that will work to get this situation resolved quickly. I know that some of them have the vision and fortitude to make the racing experience here both safer and more respected within the community. So Penn National management, work with the people who do firmly comprehend humane animal care, and quickly implement procedures that will prevent yourself from being humiliated but once again.

On a separate note I would like to address the link that dick provided regarding the horse previously trained by Stephanie Beattie by the name of Valid Trick. Just curious if miss Beattie once again has amnesia as to how this horse was sent to slaughter. It looks as if her worst nightmare is starting to come true: The desired effect of the disappearing horse is beginning to turn into the rescued horse destined for slaughter. It sets a horrifying pattern that I am sure will be continued to be discovered as more people come forward with the real details of how some of these horses are being “retired”.

So the question for you Penn National Gaming is this: Will you enforce your anti slaughter policy or because it is the president of the HBPA will we be using the tough, stern language on the daily overnight as toilet paper? Rob Marella, we hear that you fought hard for the implementation of this edict. Please prove that you are not a lifeless slug, like most people think, and purge the hypocrites from your establishment at once.

And here I was thinking that perhaps the horse didn’t work out in 4H so the 4H “people” sent it off…:no: :wink:

MY question is how many 4H clubs and therapeutic organizations take horses directly off the track? If you poll 4Hers and therapeutic centers, the answer will be drastically different than if you poll these trainers. Heck most are afraid to adopt them after they have had time and reschooling. To top it off, these trainers NEVER can provide the name of the 4Her or therapeutic center that took the horse- even if asked just days later. We have even asked if we could see the check out slip so the horse might be tracked down- but it has never been forthcoming. This has happened at Penn, Mountaineer, and Thistledown.

Exactly what I had thought- what 4H woman would take so many OTTBs DIRECTLY off the track… especially this one with a blown suspensory.

It didn’t make sense to me.

So sorry to hear it is a similar story to many others. It means my nightmare that the horse went to slaughter probably did happen. Just glad I got the other one back. I am very conscientious of where my retired horses go, so its sad that a high percentage trainer like Stephanie with a high profile position at the track is obviously NOT. Or just outright lies.

Heres One wth a Happy Ending

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/57216/veteran-stakes-gelding-silverfoot-retired

*if you look close, you’ll see the 2 horses are in perfect stride

I would seriously doubt any therapeutic school or 4-h group would want tb’s directly off the track — experienced riders and trainers take 2nd looks since huge investments in time, money and training are involved purely on the gamble that the horse will train out well!

Has anyone asked the rescue what efforts they put forth in contacting the previous owner of Valid Trick when they rescued him? Surely there is some kind of papertrail in this case?

[QUOTE=BeverlyAStrauss;4895661]
MY question is how many 4H clubs and therapeutic organizations take horses directly off the track? If you poll 4Hers and therapeutic centers, the answer will be drastically different than if you poll these trainers. Heck most are afraid to adopt them after they have had time and reschooling. .[/QUOTE]

Actually, at least in my part of PA, I don’t know of any 4-H Clubs that take horses. The horses are privately owned by the kids in the clubs. Some leaders will loan their own horses, typically older QHs and paints & grade geldings, to horseless kids but the club leaders already have got plenty of mouths to feed & can already loan a horse with 4-H experience to a newbie (and have a horse they already know is pretty kid-safe, which isn’t the definition of a horse who is right off the track).

With regard to therapeutic riding programs, if the TBs are being donated there, it isn’t for use as riding horses.

I had a horse successfully pass the test to carry a therapeutic rider. Not many show or pleasure riding horses would pass the test because the horse has to calmly accept bad riding and still want to keep the rider on its back despite the rider’s bad balance. We had advertised the horse for sale, not donation, but the program director apparently thought we might donate, if they showed up & liked the horse. The showed up & liked, but, well, the horse is still here because he is for sale, not donation.

But here’s some of what he needed to do. Tell me how many recently raced TBs would pass:

  1. Must be sound with a smooth, even gait, to make it easier for kids & adults who do not have good balance.

  2. The horse must remain smooth & calm as the rider bounces & slides around on his back (this horse was one you could put into gear & he stayed in the zone - that was one of his selling points to them).

  3. The horse must allow humans to walk on each side of him (to help the rider remain balanced) I’m thinking of horses who’ve raced with blinkers or whose trainers cover their eyes when the saddle goes on or other work is being done right where the side-walkers would be . . . I’ve never seen blinkers on therapeutic horses.

  4. The horse must calmly accept the rider jerking on the reins to maintain balance. The horse may not throw its head up, by way of response.

  5. The horse cannot spook at sudden movements - like toys being tossed over his head.

  6. The horse needs to be voice trained to stop when a person on the ground says, “Whoa!”. The stop must be smooth and balanced and from any gait.

I don’t know if these are standard tests but I do know that size, soundness & temperament are all basic requirements.

The folks who run programs get calls all the time from people with horses who are too big, too small, too young, too old, too green, too sour, too lame, to freakin’ crazy . . . all turned down. The programs have a need for a very specific horse profile. Most retiring TBs don’t fit the profile when they retire & some never will. And the programs don’t have the funds or usually, the expertise to take a horse from track to therapeutic, even if given one of the ones who could eventually do the job.

[QUOTE=KBEquine;4896581]
Actually, at least in my part of PA, I don’t know of any 4-H Clubs that take horses. The horses are privately owned by the kids in the clubs. Some leaders will loan their own horses, typically older QHs and paints & grade geldings, to horseless kids but the club leaders already have got plenty of mouths to feed & can already loan a horse with 4-H experience to a newbie (and have a horse they already know is pretty kid-safe, which isn’t the definition of a horse who is right off the track).

With regard to therapeutic riding programs, if the TBs are being donated there, it isn’t for use as riding horses.

I had a horse successfully pass the test to carry a therapeutic rider. Not many show or pleasure riding horses would pass the test because the horse has to calmly accept bad riding and still want to keep the rider on its back despite the rider’s bad balance. We had advertised the horse for sale, not donation, but the program director apparently thought we might donate, if they showed up & liked the horse. The showed up & liked, but, well, the horse is still here because he is for sale, not donation.

But here’s some of what he needed to do. Tell me how many recently raced TBs would pass:

  1. Must be sound with a smooth, even gait, to make it easier for kids & adults who do not have good balance.

  2. The horse must remain smooth & calm as the rider bounces & slides around on his back (this horse was one you could put into gear & he stayed in the zone - that was one of his selling points to them).

  3. The horse must allow humans to walk on each side of him (to help the rider remain balanced) I’m thinking of horses who’ve raced with blinkers or whose trainers cover their eyes when the saddle goes on or other work is being done right where the side-walkers would be . . . I’ve never seen blinkers on therapeutic horses.

  4. The horse must calmly accept the rider jerking on the reins to maintain balance. The horse may not throw its head up, by way of response.

  5. The horse cannot spook at sudden movements - like toys being tossed over his head.

  6. The horse needs to be voice trained to stop when a person on the ground says, “Whoa!”. The stop must be smooth and balanced and from any gait.

I don’t know if these are standard tests but I do know that size, soundness & temperament are all basic requirements.

The folks who run programs get calls all the time from people with horses who are too big, too small, too young, too old, too green, too sour, too lame, to freakin’ crazy . . . all turned down. The programs have a need for a very specific horse profile. Most retiring TBs don’t fit the profile when they retire & some never will. And the programs don’t have the funds or usually, the expertise to take a horse from track to therapeutic, even if given one of the ones who could eventually do the job.[/QUOTE]

So you don’t think Charlie Dehart takes horses to a good 4H home? I thought he was the guy who takes a lot of OTTB’s to a 4H ???

My take is those horses who will crash from “something boosting their Blood” go to ahhh 4H homes.

Those horses who when the tingly feeling returns to their feet go to 4H homes.

Those whose joint spaces aren’t well spaces anymore go to 4H homes.

There fore there will be no direct line of sight back to whom ever created the animals plight.

So we haven’t solved the mystery or stopped the misery what can we do?

Gill has crawled back into a dark place to plot a return or has his beards working feverishly to cloak his enterprise whats left of it.

What campaign are we mounting???

[QUOTE=judybigredpony;4897170]

What campaign are we mounting???[/QUOTE]

If there is a campaign mounting, please count me in.

I can’t imagine that the good people who are legitimately involved with 4H would be comfortable knowing the 4H name is being used in this particular manner.

Has anyone asked Beattie the name of her 4H lady she so kindly retires her horses to?

There certainly are a lot of issues on this thread…

      1. corruption in ALL levels of this track management

      2. lack of safety for the horses during training and racing

      3. lack of consistant treatment of backside personel --
          who gets stalls, who pays for stalls, who is granted 
          stalls or loses them (?) and for why.

     4. inconsistant accoutability for offenses due to certain
         trainers/owners -- ruled off, allowed back on, licensing
         felons.

    5. inability to enforce set rules -- drug use, training
        methods, anti-slaughter policy

   6. lack of qualified personel for track surface management.

     Did I forget or miss anything?
     and I'm sure if one scratched the surface of this a bit more ...plenty else would/could be found.

So if a lot of them went to good 4 H homes, then maybe some, or all, of the people associated with Pennsylvania 4 H (like the people mentioned in this article) might know their whereabouts, and perhaps could shed some light on the unusual method of transfering ownership in a parking lot? And maybe, with any luck, some of them might be competing at this show?

http://www.pennsylvaniaequestrian.com/news/PA-4h-horse-show-1009.php