Business As Usual

[John_Sunwack]

Dick, I feel like you continue to spew out nonsense but never really listen to the voice of reason. The HBPA could put together a slaughter policy as elaborate as the US Constitution but it could all be for not. They have little policy making ability and virtually no enforcement powers when it comes to a touchy Penn policy like this. Any piece of writing that they present to Penn could be chalked up to only a recommendation. And we all know how seriously they consider those from horsemen

But seriously Dick, what are you going to do now that you have nothing to talk about? No arrests, a failed investigation, an HBPA president who has beat all false allegations and is thriving in her role (we will call it PENN Renaissance ) , and a commission that is working on more effective drug rules. You’re going to have to start painting toy soldiers or play dress up medieval knights and princesses with the rest of the geek squad. Either that or actually grow up and admit your petty, childish mistakes

[DickHertz]

Mike Pappada did get his 2 stalls returned when the HBPA requested that Penn return them. Some have mentioned that he lost them which he did, but they are now back in his possession.

[big_bopper_33]

Ok John, you know so much. why doesn’t your "golden girl " begin to tell us the wherabouts of those six horses. Or did her memory fail her once again?

[big_bopper_33]

Dick, who was responsible for mike getting his stalls back? you mean to tell me that Todd mostoller finally did something for someone other than a “Beattie”?

[leilatigress]

He Won’t answer

[QUOTE=WhaWhaWhat;4944588]
Ok I will bite Sunwack.

Buenisima 5/2/10: Owner: Robert Cole
Gracie’s Choice 4/2/10: Owner: Stephanie S. Beattie & Donald L. Brown Jr.
Whowearsthepants 4/2/10: Owner: Donald L. Brown Jr.
Iron Woman 1/13/10: Owner: Stephanie S. Beattie
Contrary 1/13/10: Owner: Stephanie S. Beattie
Akin 1/6/10: Owner: Donald L. Brown Jr.

Can’t wait to hear about the whereabouts of these horses.[/QUOTE]

He still hasn’t answered my questions and I’m pretty sure he can’t.

[the_last_straw]

Mostoller must have heard that Marella was giving away free stopwatches and racing forms and stumbled into his office in between his job duty of watching morning works. The 80000 dollar wonder comes up huge in the clutch again. Somebody negotiate this star a new contract.

[doublete]

As i stated before… I trained a horse that Robert cole owned, and he sent to Steph. After his last race Robert texted me to say that the horse blew a suspensory. I immediately said I would go pick him up, and to text Steph to that effect. A week later no one had responded to Robert. I sent a shipper up to pick up the horse anyways. The horse was not there, and Steph or
David Wells could NOT tell me where he was.

I can verify this for a fact. I text Stephanie myself and have her number. She cannot tell me where he is, and will not tell me. This was a year ago, and the horse is lost. I know that. I’m just giving this information because there are those of you that don’t believe the posts. The other horse that Cole owned and I had trained was immediately returned to my barn after his last start with Beattie. I made it very clear after the other horse “disappeared” that I would not rest if the second horse was lost as well.

[Dahoss]

[QUOTE=doublete;4944725]
As i stated before… I trained a horse that Robert cole owned, and he sent to Steph. After his last race Robert texted me to say that the horse blew a suspensory. I immediately said I would go pick him up, and to text Steph to that effect. A week later no one had responded to Robert. I sent a shipper up to pick up the horse anyways. The horse was not there, and Steph or
David Wells could NOT tell me where he was.

I can verify this for a fact. I text Stephanie myself and have her number. She cannot tell me where he is, and will not tell me. This was a year ago, and the horse is lost. I know that. I’m just giving this information because there are those of you that don’t believe the posts. The other horse that Cole owned and I had trained was immediately returned to my barn after his last start with Beattie. I made it very clear after the other horse “disappeared” that I would not rest if the second horse was lost as well.[/QUOTE]

Doublete, I believe you. Why do I believe you? Because I have met and seen many a scumbag calling themselves trainers/asst trainers/etc over the years. Money is their biggest concern. The horse is no where close to being that important. This game is a welcome mat for cheats, chemists, abusers, crooks and those with their palm out to be greased. It is not enforced enough to keep them away. The poor horses are too many times the victim of greed.

Trust me, I know there are still plenty of decent caring ethical horsemen in the sport, unfortunately, there are way too many on the other side of the 50 yard line…and THAT is helping kill our industry.

[judybigredpony]

was able to get a full barn for Gill when most people can’t acquire one stall. Quote

THis is not something anyone should be proud of…

[big_bopper_33]

If Stephanie has lost her memory once again, i’d like Donald Brown to tell us the wherabouts of the particular horses listed that he was sole owner or partners. Being a horse owner i can tell you that i know where each and every one of my horses went after they were retired. anyone with any responsibility at all should make sure that each horse has a proper home. My feeling is that Stephanie and Mr. Brown once they have no use for the horse simply don’t care if the horse gets a proper home or goes to slaughter.

[John_Sunwack]

Big Bopper, this is a new low even for the likes of you. Resorting to questioning the integrity of Donny Brown is both despicable and shows a lack of class. The man is highly respected in both the horse and business world. He has always been very generous to the local community and is famous for fighting for the small stable horsemen. Big Bopper, I’m not even sure if you have a soul at this point.

Whatever has spurned your failure as an owner in this business has made you hardened and bitter. You should leave the business without delay! ! I’m sure that you are either irked because Donny has claimed from you or you are jealous of his incredible success in multiple business venture. He is first class and would probably even consider still helping a low life like you if you just asked

One thing I know about Donny Brown is that he truly loves his horses. There is not a doubt in my mind that he has a clear recollection of where his retired horses have gone. You have now crossed way over the line, Big Bopper. Donny Brown will prove you for the mental midget that you truly are. You will eat crow. You have embarrassed yourself but once again

[big_bopper_33]

Ok john, i’ll wait patiently for mr. brown to come forward and tell us all where the horses are. you are right, he deserves that chance. he has always been an upstanding individual. I’m quite sure that Mr. brown along with Stephanie can put this all to rest. At that time many of us on this thread will owe apologies to the both of them. but until that time that proof is shown i will continue to question the wherabouts of these animals.

[pinkdiamondracing]

I don’t know about all the accusations that are flying around this forum, but personally to me the solution lies with the commercial breeding farms-1000’s of foals born every year with no other purpose for the farm than fetching a healthy price at the ring. Who is gonna hold the breeding farms accountable?? Why should it fall to the trainers that these horses ultimately end up with?? Especially when that trainer might be the end of the road for the horse as it is, because of unsoundness, breathing problems, lack of talent or whatever reason.
I am a small time trainer, who trains big-time trainer rejects and tries to make a bit of money with a horse that at one time may have had some success, but for whatever reason is not as competitive as it used to be— and I know that there is no way I can afford to retire and personally care for every single horse that comes through my barn. I do what I can for the ones I can, and I try to find them homes, but let me tell you, it’s not always possible-- I have kept for myself more than I should have, and I have ended up with several pasture ornaments now which take up a space on my small farm for one who has some use-- I can only do so much, why should it be my responsibility?? I think it should ultimately fall on the shoulders of the asshat who brought that foal into the world to provide for it in it’s no longer useful years.

[system]

I agree. As a small trainer at Penn I am sick by all of this. But if there aren’t
trailers driving around all day on the backside who will gladly take these horses to the killers. then the quick fix isn’t there. They sit at pizza shops and at the kitchen.

[system]

ThEre are two agents that send to killers, at least 10 trainers and three pony people. It is not frowned upon at this track. It’s the solution.

[Mocha0303]

So where are they?

[QUOTE=leilatigress;4944695]
He still hasn’t answered my questions and I’m pretty sure he can’t.[/QUOTE]

John - why haven’t you been able to answer any questions as to where the horses are? You’ve been quite adamant that you know all the “true” details and you’ve posted since the question was asked. You have even offered money. If you have such insider knowledge, it should be easy for you to produce the answers…

So where are these horses?

[judybigredpony]

[QUOTE=pinkdiamondracing;4944943]
I don’t know about all the accusations that are flying around this forum, but personally to me the solution lies with the commercial breeding farms-1000’s of foals born every year with no other purpose for the farm than fetching a healthy price at the ring. Who is gonna hold the breeding farms accountable?? Why should it fall to the trainers that these horses ultimately end up with?? Especially when that trainer might be the end of the road for the horse as it is, because of unsoundness, breathing problems, lack of talent or whatever reason.
I am a small time trainer, who trains big-time trainer rejects and tries to make a bit of money with a horse that at one time may have had some success, but for whatever reason is not as competitive as it used to be— and I know that there is no way I can afford to retire and personally care for every single horse that comes through my barn. I do what I can for the ones I can, and I try to find them homes, but let me tell you, it’s not always possible-- I have kept for myself more than I should have, and I have ended up with several pasture ornaments now which take up a space on my small farm for one who has some use-- I can only do so much, why should it be my responsibility?? I think it should ultimately fall on the shoulders of the asshat who brought that foal into the world to provide for it in it’s no longer useful years.[/QUOTE]

When you take into account the stud fee’s the breeder paid, the overhead costs associtated to getting a TB to auction. Possibly more than once theses days if reserve not attained. For anyone big ticket selling horse there are 50 who were a loosing proposition.
The breeder is supplying what the demand is. This year showed a even steeper decline at the breeding sheds.
In 2-3 years you all will crying about the cost and scarcity of nice young stock.
For you the trickle down effect will slow to a drip.
Why are you crying foul. Don’t break it so fast, make it last. And unless you are the out right sole owner why isn’t it the owners issue.
Not every horse needs Euthanasia…notice Euthanasia not a one way trip to kill.
And I am not rabid anti slaughter it has its place.
If a portion of the day $$ or money earned were earmarked for every horse in a seperate escrow you would have the $$ to drop a horse humanly.
I pay out of pocket. If enough people made a bigger effort an affordable means of private Euthanasia and disposal could be brought to you.
There are enough creative ways to finance private euthanasia if the minds who are whinning here used their intellegance collectively.
And any owner or trainer who can’t pay to put a horse down out of pocket sure as heck can’t afford to have a race horse.
There is absolutely not a single excuse no matter how you word it that it is acceptable for SB’s owners let alone her self to need the killer $$ in their coffers.

Oh Johnnie I hear your name, I think its time for you to go home…:eek:…

[system]

If Dave and Steph start retiring horses properly we all know their win percentage will plummitt. I’m sure many of you reading this forum knows why that would be the case. So, don’t expect to see any Beattie horses listed on a retirement site anytime soon. Didn’t judypony say it’s still going on according to the kill buyers??? I think we’ve heard the last of Sunswack.

[SwtVixen]

(quote)an HBPA president who has beat all false allegations (quote)… that should read allegations without the false in front of it to be gramatically correct.

…and, just as capable were the Clintons at beating all their alleged infractions – everyone knew they were guilty but they had the political pull to sweep their dirty deeds under the carpet.

    I dont think your statement is anything to brag about in such a manner.... especially since it still cant be answered to the whereabout of Contrary (2010) and doublete's horse from 

(2009)----which Im sure is soon to post the horses name so you can present that to Steph to account for.
Also for you to dismiss actions from 2008 – when there were MANY rescue options … shows again the lack of compassion in this subject.
Those horses belonged to DASL Doc and Robt Cole…
I’d be curious to know if they are aware their horses were deliberately sent to the KILL PEN directly from Saturday nights losing race. One horse can’t be accounted for – and I’m sure if the rescue had known the horse was there, they would have looked and saved it along with Major Mecke.
Johnnie keeps posting about proving …
Prove and explain those…
If you murdered someone 20years ago…I’m sure the police would still be glad to arrest you today, even if you did appear to change your ways… (appear being the operative word).
Slinging insults surely exposes your mentality when boxed into a corner — and intelligent response certainly appear to escape you Johnnie.

     Perhaps the next course of action would be an open inquiry by both groups PNGI and HBPA to address these allegations ... now, what would be involved in moving toward that suggeston?
  Afterall, Rojas, George and several others had to be accountable .... its only fair.

PS; Im sure Mike Papaddas stalls were returned so “that” issue wasnt fuel added to all this controvery… just a face saving measure, good for Mike!

[judybigredpony]

[QUOTE=SwtVixen;4945252]
(quote)an HBPA president who has beat all false allegations (quote)… that should read allegations without the false in front of it to be gramatically correct.

…and, just as capable were the Clintons at beating all their alleged infractions – everyone knew they were guilty but they had the political pull to sweep their dirty deeds under the carpet.

    I dont think your statement is anything to brag about in such a manner.... especially since it still cant be answered to the whereabout of Contrary (2010) and doublete's horse from 

(2009)----which Im sure is soon to post the horses name so you can present that to Steph to account for.
Also for you to dismiss actions from 2008 – when there were MANY rescue options … shows again the lack of compassion in this subject.
Those horses belonged to DASL Doc and Robt Cole…
I’d be curious to know if they are aware their horses were deliberately sent to the KILL PEN directly from Saturday nights losing race. One horse can’t be accounted for – and I’m sure if the rescue had known the horse was there, they would have looked and saved it along with Major Mecke.
Johnnie keeps posting about proving …
Prove and explain those…
If you murdered someone 20years ago…I’m sure the police would still be glad to arrest you today, even if you did appear to change your ways… (appear being the operative word).
Slinging insults surely exposes your mentality when boxed into a corner — and intelligent response certainly appear to escape you Johnnie.

     Perhaps the next course of action would be an open inquiry by both groups PNGI and HBPA to address these allegations ... now, what would be involved in moving toward that suggeston?
  Afterall, Rojas, George and several others had to be accountable .... its only fair.

PS; Im sure Mike Papaddas stalls were returned so “that” issue wasnt fuel added to all this controvery… just a face saving measure, good for Mike![/QUOTE]

Since it is Sunday Morning…AMEN