Vandian, I do admire the commitment to your horses. But saying that Steph Beattie should wear a 666 is taking it too far. I’m sorry that you have failed in this business or possibly even life for that matter but lets not get carried away. Maybe if you would have chosen a classy, caring and talented trainer like Steph, you would not be so in the red. But since you didn’t I will leave you alone to your sad existence. Seek some help, my friend
Johnnie you make us laugh
You got not brass (ones)
So how many names do you need to make this a go???
How are the horses who ran last night tomorrow is Tuesday pick-up day, are their bags packed yet??
So I guess we can add regardlessly to the list of Steph’s missing horses. This is starting to be unbelievable. I could see 100 horses on the list of the missing before its over. That means 100 horses where SB can say, I was having personal problems and can’t remember. I thought they all went to the 4 H lady. Where are the horses? ?? Hello!!! Rob Marella? Frank Quigley? !!! HBPA members that actually remember what it means to care about a horse? !!! I just get the feeling that this is not going away for the queen B anytime soon. Too many people really do care about what happens to their retired racehorses. If nobody cares that the list is growing by the day, I’m pretty sure that someone in the media looking for a juicy tidbit and cover-up surely is
Water seeks its own level. Owners choose their trainers. Owners pay the bills and have the right and duty to tell their trainers what they expect and what they won’t tolerate.
Caring, honest owners who would prefer to race their horses off drugs, should start their own racing circuit. Transparency and accountability would be welcome. Genuine sportsmen would enjoy competing against clean horses like theirs, they would only tolerate quality horsemanship, drug-free competition. They would enjoy horses that last under superior management and low/no vet bills. Racing would be more fun and rewarding. Because drug-free horses would be able to display their physical and mental strengths and weaknesses and earn genuine race records, breeders would be able to strengthen the breed.
The filthy, junkies, morally bankrupt, horse abusers and killers would be left in the dust and become pariahs, hopefully imploding quickly so fewer and fewer horses would suffer.
Poor Regardlessy and all other horses sent to slaughter by scumbags. Thank you doublete for caring.
Is there an option to automatically delete all Sunwackjob posts?
Somewhere once it was announced that Gill was getting out of horses this thread jumped the shark…
Like mentioned above, if you dont like a persons contribution, hit the ignore button. Simple.
Anyhow, a trainer has to account to his owners, not to the unwashed masses, no matter how much you hate it, its nonya, non of your busniness.
Also, the stupid owners who hire stupid trainers are often not horse people - shoot them for that, and dont live anywhere near a track - they certainly deserve to be drawn and quartered for that.
What I do agree with you on is plain: too many drugs in the horses. If they cant run without Lasix or Bute or whatever, there is something wrong. Sadly, the over all system is not set up to cater to the sport, breeders or even the evil trainers - lets face it, they do not all live like kings with Porsche shades - but to the bettors, who incidentally could not care less if it was horse or roaches they were betting on.
So do us all a favor and throw PETA rhetoric out, along with the histrionics that go with it, go after the ones that are truly in the illegal and push for better rules, not the unenforcables, or those that are going to eventually bite your own backside…
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Poor Regardlessy and all other horses sent to slaughter by scumbags. Thank you doublete for caring.
Is there an option to automatically delete all Sunwackjob posts?[/QUOTE]
What a cowardly idea to propose. After months of anonymous accusations and behind the back insults, someone throws a little (and I mean a LITTLE) heat back and people spit the bit like a cheap claimer. Just proves as I’ve thought all along, this is not about horses at all, it’s about loser gyps who don’t have the courage to settle their scores at the gap each morning.
I’m still waiting for the verifiable source of the “one third of all thoroughbreds go to slaughter” statistic.
ray paulick and stats
http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/tag/horse-slaughter/page/2/
The fate of the “losers” is not publicized, and it’s a well-known fact that horses are expensive to keep. Last year nearly 90,000 American horses were shipped across the borders of Mexico and Canada, and over one-third of them were thoroughbreds.
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I’m sorry that you have failed in this business or possibly even life for that matter but lets not get carried away. Maybe if you would have chosen a classy, caring and talented trainer like Steph, you would not be so in the red. But since you didn’t I will leave you alone to your sad existence. Seek some help, my friend[/QUOTE]
What??? An owner who doesn’t send his horses to slaughter and cares for them in retirement is a failure in life who needs help with his sad existence? Are you a fool? You attempt to defend Ms. Beattie but every post you make indicts her even further (and yourself too, whoever you are). Are you her friend or her enemy? I’m starting to wonder.
Just proves as I’ve thought all along, this is not about horses at all, it’s about loser gyps who don’t have the courage to settle their scores at the gap each morning.
Not correct in my case. I am just a lurker here with no ties to the racing business or the state of PA, but compelled to respond to Mr. Sumwack’s appalling philosophy.
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http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/tag/horse-slaughter/page/2/
The fate of the “losers” is not publicized, and it’s a well-known fact that horses are expensive to keep. Last year nearly 90,000 American horses were shipped across the borders of Mexico and Canada, and over one-third of them were thoroughbreds.[/QUOTE]
Again, where did this figure come from? Beverly Strauss says 10,000, now you use a figure pulled from thin air that says 30,000. Which is it? My point is that no one knows for sure and I despise people who make up numbers to suit their agenda. When I question “facts” such as these, no one has been able to give me a legitimate answer, yours included.
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What a cowardly idea to propose. After months of anonymous accusations and behind the back insults, someone throws a little (and I mean a LITTLE) heat back and people spit the bit like a cheap claimer. Just proves as I’ve thought all along, this is not about horses at all, it’s about loser gyps who don’t have the courage to settle their scores at the gap each morning.
I’m still waiting for the verifiable source of the “one third of all thoroughbreds go to slaughter” statistic.[/QUOTE]
From what I’ve seen there have been many confrontations both on the backside, in the kitchen as well as in the paddock at night. Are you at Penn and just not see these confrontations?
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Why don’t you do the research yourself instead of waiting for somone to give it to you.
No one here is “…making up numbers to suit their agenda…” I’m sure they are just using different sources.
Ditto
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Why don’t you do the research yourself instead of waiting for somone to give it to you.
No one here is “…making up numbers to suit their agenda…” I’m sure they are just using different sources.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with Dispatcher.
And in the scheme of things…whatever the numbers actually are… the end point for most tbs’ is slaughter …and for many different reasons. It should not be an end point for any horse.
I followed the link... this reporter has a vast resource of information concerning rescue, slaughter, adoption, cruelty...plus much more.
Education is the key…to come up with solutions, and solutions that offer fairness to all involved. To bring together horse welfare groups to work toward “working plans of placement, retraining, and even euthanasia.”
With those in place, tb's (in particular) but all horses, will have options -- and no owner will have the need to use slaughter, kill pens or kill buyers.
This thread appears to be adddressing issues at PN --
the lack of a cohesive management of policy and a lack of individuals to operate their business practises in a manner geared toward horse welfare.
This thread appears to be adddressing issues at PN –
the lack of a cohesive management of policy and a lack of individuals to operate their business practises in a manner geared toward horse welfare.
And beyond while the welfare of “SB” horses once thru racing is certainly a much heated topic, due primarly by her “elected” status in a suppossed postion to better the horseman and indirectly the horses @ Penn.
The topic is a sounding board for the horseman who are not jealous of anothers success but the acknowledged slanted bias towards favoritism towards certain indivduials. A dual standard, and of course the behavior of someone who should for the duration of term be a model of decorum and set a “tone” and “Standard”.
Adhearing to the rules in place and standing up for the horseman. nuff said.
(OT)So we can track a case of salmonella to the exact cow and stall but we can’t track an export of horse meat? Really? Doesn’t Canada have the US equivalent of the USDA? Aren’t these horses inspected for consumption? In all the years (however many) no related illnesses to consuming horse meat have been reported? I find that both odd and appealing. If we can’t stop the slaughter can’t we get better rules enforced on documentation for it? Aren’t there regular inspections of these places? What is in the inspection process?
Why not approach the trainers and give them horse theft protection if they can provide documentation for the horses they sell/give away. If I was the owner of said 5 figure horse I would want to know where it went. If you can’t come up with a bill of sale then I would think you just literally stole my horse. Its not a big fine but it’s a legal action. I bet a few of them would be more than happy to hand over at least a bill of sale with coggins numbers on them. Coggins numbers are useless most days but some days they have tat #s on them to correlate to horses right?
When I called a CFIA vet a few years ago, he ASSURED me the horses were inspected before and after slaughter. I asked how they could tell that a TB coming directly from NH on a Tuesday was free of drugs, etc. to be slaughtered the same day or next day. No convincing answer. He also told me the meat itself was inspected. Well, I commented there must be a lot of waste then, since most of the TBs would have had steroids, bute and other chemicals in their system. Of course, no real answer! He also ASSURED me that the meat was again inspected at destination! Yeah, sure, because they would keep buying that kind of meat???
Did the reporter mean “appalling” instead of “appealing”?
Starting next month, Canada will follow the rules required by the EU ie the QT and 6 months feedlot requirements, but I am sure there are so many loopholes, that nothing will change here either. Business as usual. I think the only way we can curb the slaughter (apart from passing the law prohibiting the border crossing for US horses and Canada will not have enough to sustain the 5 s/h) is to again campaign in Europe and show the truth about the condition of the horses and “the quality” of the imported meat. Although, again this year, at least in French supermarkets, the meat was coming from other EU countries and mostly Brazil and Argentina. Did not see one package stating Origin: Canada.
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Again, where did this figure come from? Beverly Strauss says 10,000, now you use a figure pulled from thin air that says 30,000. Which is it? My point is that no one knows for sure and I despise people who make up numbers to suit their agenda. When I question “facts” such as these, no one has been able to give me a legitimate answer, yours included.[/QUOTE]
Why does it matter? IMHO ONE is too many. You are quibbling over 10K vs 30K-- both of which are overwhelmingly horrible, horrible numbers to contemplate.
And suit WHAT agenda? Anti-slaughter? I mean, if you are quibbling over huge numbers like these, what is the point? We aren’t talking about a few- we are talking about staggeringly high numbers- with a total of 90K, possibly, in a year-- all in.
And the question still stands- what is PN doing to enforce their policy? Nothing?
Not trying to hijack …
… but I just today found out that my hunt horse was Penn National’s Horse of the Year in 1998 and wondered if anyone remembers him: Emperor Tigere. Nearly black with a small white star, trained at that time by Scott Lake. If anyone remembers him at all, I’d be happy to hear what you knew of him back in the day–please PM!
Back to scheduled programming, and sorry for the aside.
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… but I just today found out that my hunt horse was Penn National’s Horse of the Year in 1998 and wondered if anyone remembers him: Emperor Tigere. Nearly black with a small white star, trained at that time by Scott Lake. If anyone remembers him at all, I’d be happy to hear what you knew of him back in the day–please PM!
Back to scheduled programming, and sorry for the aside.[/QUOTE]
Sent you PM. ARe you related to Little Hound? :lol:
