"Bute Test" Questions

As recommended by my vet, I’m doing a 4 day course of half banamine half dex mixture to pinpoint whether there is an underlying physical issue w/ my OTTB who raced nearly 100 times.

A few questions:
Would this NSAID test take away saddle fit pain (if that is the issue)?
Would an NSAID test take away internal pain like ovary, stone, or GI? I know NSAIDs irritate the stomach, but in the short term, would they temporarily relieve pain from ulcers/ HG ulcers?

Or are we just talking relief for soft tissue, bone and arthritis stuff?

Horse is on a double dose of BPR and has been for a month, is there a chance the 4 day test could still cause ulcers even if I keep mare on the meds? Scoped clean and do NOT want a recurrence.

Let me know your experiences with NSAID trials, and what issues they may indicate.

Why didn’t you discuss this with your vet?

Why don’t people discuss every training and health question posted on this board with their trainer or vet? :slight_smile:
I’d like personal experiences.

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Well, if the vet recommended the meds the vet can tell you if the specific meds target soft tissue or joints or internal pain. Also presumably you have something you are hoping to find?

Re saddle fit pain, I do not know but would guess that an ill fitting saddle is more likely to cause compensatory patterns of movement/tension/bracing rather than outright pain that would be relieved by an NSAID…

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Sure, but these seem like reasonable questions to want multiple perspectives on. And sometimes these kinds of trials are used before there’s a specific “something you are hoping to find” (e.g. to distinguish between pain and behavioral issues), and can you blame someone for reaching out to the community when they’re in NQR/undiagnosed issue purgatory?

OP, I’m not sure I’d count on an NSAID trial to definitively rule in/out saddle fit, GI, or repro, but I’ve never used a banamine/dex combo for such a trial. I wouldn’t expect NSAIDs to have much ulcer-relief effect even in the short term, necessarily – on the contrary, I’ve seen symptomatic ulcer flares develop quickly from just a couple doses of banamine. But if you’re continuing omeprazole at a treatment+ dose the risk of that should be pretty low.

It’s hard to say a lot more about what issues can be indicated by a NSAID trial, as that’s a very open ended question. IME they’re best for determining whether a problem is ultimately pain-related vs. arising from some other cause. The kinds of pain sources it can reveal depend on the symptoms or performance issues involved, typically. I’ve seen it be helpful in confirming physical pain that ended up arising from hard-to-diagnose body parts (e.g. neck arthritis, kissing spine). But I’m not sure if the dex (steroid) component of your protocol is there for its general anti-inflammatory properties (e.g. to help arthritis) or to target some other inflammatory response. That’s really where your vet’s specific reasoning would be more helpful than community bute trial experience.

I hope you get to the bottom of whatever is going on with your horse!

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I don’t know if a half dose of anything makes any sense. You will never know if it didn’t make a difference because it wasn’t a pain issue or you just didn’t give enough. Generally the bute test uses relatively high doses of bute for several days, I could see doing the same sort of thing with banamine as well but not a half dose. Generally speaking bute is used for suspected bone pain and banamine is used for suspected soft tissue pain. Even small doses of either can set off an ulcer prone horse’s ulcers however so I would use ulcergard during the test if you are concerned about that.

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