Buy American

[smokygirl]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;5867672]
You might consider getting someone to help you pick suitable ones. I know a few people who have a great eye for prospects and they really rarely miss.[/QUOTE]

I did lol. It was more a personality issue, since I bought them at weanling, yearling and 2yo ages. The 2yo was more a hmmm. he’s priced right, lets see. But he is now in the hands of a dressage trainer, doing Intro (? the really beginner stuff) and she likes him. the yearling ended up having a lot of cattle sense and is now cutting. and the weanling is now doing team penning and calf roping. She was the one we were most shocked at. The yearling was topside reining, but bottom side had mostly cow breeding… so not as surprised. The weanling was 100% reining bred. She didn’t “like it”. They all were doing well, just didn’t enjoy it. so we moved them. (obviously i called them by the ages they were when i got them… not how old they were during training lol).

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=eurofoal;5867714]

In short, the buyers, especially as they learn more, are picky. I think that’s great, actually, because they should be able to more clearly see what horses are great and what horses are average. Yes, a stunning horse should command a high price, but an average horse should correspondingly be priced less. Our breeders need to evaluate and price accordingly, too. .[/QUOTE]

I think more and more buyers expect to get an exceptional youngster for a low price, either because they cannot recognize the quality or, as at least one poster indicated here, because breeders should somehow be so thrilled to “get their horses out there” that they should heavily subsidize the client’s hobby because how else will they afford such a nice horse (!).

[smokygirl]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;5867788]
I think more and more buyers expect to get an exceptional youngster for a low price, either because they cannot recognize the quality or, as at least one poster indicated here, because breeders should somehow be so thrilled to “get their horses out there” that they should heavily subsidize the client’s hobby because how else will they afford such a nice horse (!).[/QUOTE]

Another part of it is, when you visit the state farms and larger breeding stables overseas, or here… It’s not a small farm. At some you may view several generations, but for the most part (at least where I was in Belgium) there were farms where broodmares and youngstock were, and then the farms with riding horses, etc. If you were looking for a Horse, you didn’t go visit his dam at the other farm generally.

Here, if someone has a small farm and are showing 1-2 horses and have interest… it’s almost expected that the person will want to see any on site siblings, dam, aunt, weaning buddy and the crotchety horse that scares him. So you have to keep them all presentable, not just brush one quick.

[fordtraktor]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;5867788]
I think more and more buyers expect to get an exceptional youngster for a low price, either because they cannot recognize the quality or, as at least one poster indicated here, because breeders should somehow be so thrilled to “get their horses out there” that they should heavily subsidize the client’s hobby because how else will they afford such a nice horse (!).[/QUOTE]

Everyone wants an exceptional horse at a low price! :lol: Some buyers don’t understand that you don’t go to a top breeding program to get that. Buyers in that market need to have a great eye and shop for the horse with conformation, movement and mind to outperform its breeding.

A hrose with a top pedigree is a better bet and is correspondingly more expensive, but it sure ain’t going to be on the bargain rack if it is a nice horse.

The problem is when sellers imagine themselves to have Category A horses that are in fact averagely bred and average animals, and buyers want to pay a Category B price for a horse with all the goods and top breeding. Neither is going to result in a sale.

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;5868045]

The problem is when sellers imagine themselves to have Category A horses that are in fact averagely bred and average animals, and buyers want to pay a Category B price for a horse with all the goods and top breeding. Neither is going to result in a sale.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!

[kokoda]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;5867788]
breeders should somehow be so thrilled to “get their horses out there” that they should heavily subsidize the client’s hobby because how else will they afford such a nice horse (!).[/QUOTE]

Boy, this statement is spot on for us this year … we’ve had several folks say “you should be thrilled that I would be showing your youngster!” Of course, the answer is yes … but I don’t want to adopt you in the process! :lol: :eek: :lol:

[back_in_the_saddle]

[QUOTE=kokoda;5868901]
we’ve had several folks say “you should be thrilled that I would be showing your youngster!” [/QUOTE]

Are you serious? :eek: I can’t believe people would do that. ewwww!!!

[smokygirl]

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;5869070]
Are you serious? :eek: I can’t believe people would do that. ewwww!!![/QUOTE]

You’d be shocked… and it’s not even always un-horsey people. A friend of mine has trainers (that while I wouldn’t say are BNTs… they are known) who do that.

[rodawn]

[QUOTE=kokoda;5868901]
Boy, this statement is spot on for us this year … we’ve had several folks say “you should be thrilled that I would be showing your youngster!” … [/QUOTE]

:eek:

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=kokoda;5868901]
Boy, this statement is spot on for us this year … we’ve had several folks say “you should be thrilled that I would be showing your youngster!” Of course, the answer is yes … but I don’t want to adopt you in the process! :lol: :eek: :lol:[/QUOTE]

Me too. What I don’t understand is why such people don’t think I can show them myself. And if I were inclined to fire sale anything, why wouldn’t I offer them first to any number of accomplished horsie friends rather than effectively give them away to a complete stranger. Ironically, it is never the most talented and promising riders who propose such deals (probably because they did not get where they are by looking for handouts or operating with a sense of entitlement).

[MyssMyst]

Why would anyone assume that they are God’s gift to breeders? I would never ask a breeder for that, and if one asked me to show their horses it would be an honor to be trusted that far. I’m not doing them any favors, because for every person offered that horse there’s 10 more out there just as qualified. To be singled out as a rider/trainer is a huge honor, and one that should be approached with complete humility and gratitude. The rider isn’t getting the breeder out there so much as the breeder is getting the rider out there.

[smokygirl]

[QUOTE=MyssMyst;5870708]
Why would anyone assume that they are God’s gift to breeders? I would never ask a breeder for that, and if one asked me to show their horses it would be an honor to be trusted that far. I’m not doing them any favors, because for every person offered that horse there’s 10 more out there just as qualified. To be singled out as a rider/trainer is a huge honor, and one that should be approached with complete humility and gratitude. The rider isn’t getting the breeder out there so much as the breeder is getting the rider out there.[/QUOTE]

You’d think that would be the case wouldnt ya lol.

And some breeders, for certain riders, may give a discount… but most trainers and riders, imo, don’t merit much of one… And if they have to ask for one… lol.