Buying a new horse-what to look for

I’m going to be buying a step up horse and found a nice mare online that seems to fit the criteria. I’m going to ride her Wednesday then decide if she’s a good match but I have a few questions.

The biggest thing is how can I tell if the horse is drugged? I bought a horse that was drugged before and it took a lot of training to use him for what I bought him for… I don’t want to make that mistake again! What can I look for? I talked the people selling them and they sound very sincere and really wanted to make sure she was going to a good home but I don’t want to give them the benefit of doubt.

I also want to know what are some questions that are important to ask, I have some in mind but I don’t want to forget anything!

And then lastly, are there any tips for buying horses? I’m buying a show horse so I’m investing a lot more money in her than my other horses so I want to make sure I’m doing this right! Any advice? Thanks!

Buy from a reputable barn. Ask who the shoer and vet are, and do a reference check. Also pull blood at the PPE.

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pull blood at the PPE. Don’t have to test it immediately or pay for test. Let vet maintain the chain of custody. So you don’t touch it at any time.

You can ask what is the worst thing the horse has ever done , how many people have been injured by the horse, and what veterinary treatment she’s had.Has she had any foals, has she been bred?What is the highest level she’s been competed at, and what were the scores. Who are the vet, trainer, usual rider,farrier and manager if she’s boarded, and can you talk to them about her.
Wait until you assess her for suitability first, if you have no intention of buying her it’s moot.
Have you owned a mare before? They are an entire animal like a stallion is an entire animal, and they are not as like a castrated animal, so be aware of that if you are not already. Some people love that about them :slight_smile:

If you have a trainer take them with you, let them ride the horse also. If you don’t see if you can find one you can pay a small fee to go with you to check the horse out.

Agree, with buy from a reputable person. I love the internet but it is fraught with false advertising and scams so be aware of any possibility with something you have seen in an internet ad. That doesn’t mean all ads are questionable but just be mindful. If the horse’s name and the owner’s name is listed in the ad, google it and see what comes up. Ask any trainers you might know if they know the horse/seller.

Also agree with sammy14 mentioned about owning mares. They can be wonderful beyond words and then there are a few that can have those times when they become possessed. I would ask how their behavior is when they are in season; or if they have been on Regumate (sp ?).

PPE and do a blood test as soon after trying the horse as feasible, if you are concerned about drugging.

In general ask about her behavior at shows, hauling, etc. If you like the horse, maybe a short notice drop by just to have a look (not ride), to see how she is turned out or something, if drugging is still a concern.

Good luck!

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Can’t stress enough to get everything in writing —and signed by both people with a date . . .and the best question to ask, how long can I try the horse before I buy her/him? While I NEVER let a horse off my place for a trial period, any buyer was welcomed to come as long and as often as he or she wanted to try the horse --and as someone said, I gave my shoer and vet’s numbers as references on the horse and they had my permission to speak about the horse (may have to do that in writing to a vet). But, when I bought my last horse --the seller gave me the horse for 7 days to do “anything you want with him.” And if he didn’t work out, I was to bring him back for a full refund. I gave the seller a check and he held it for 7 days before cashing --100% honest seller --would do business with him again in a second --I hauled the horse all over, had him vet checked, had the shoer look at him (don’t want a horse the shoer will complain about!) took him fox hunting and trail riding. Rode him everyplace I could think of . . .great horse. That’s the kind of person I like to do business with!

Best defense against drugging is pulling that blood and having to get hold it for 30 days

The best advice is to arrive about an hour early for your appointment with a professional.* That way you’ll likely see the horse pretty close to its “native state.” Bring your video camera with you and use it. Watch the preparation of the horse as that is your first indication of behavioral issues. If possible, watch the horse being caught in the field if it’s a field kept horse. If it’s already up ask to see it released and re-caught after your ride.

Observe the conformation of the horse as it’s being groomed. What problems do you see, if any? Observe the tack being used. It is appropriate? If it is then you have an indication of the professional status of the seller. It’s it’s “catch as catch can” then you also have an important insight into the horse’s care.

Ask to see the horse on the longe or in the round pen. Then let the seller ride first. Then your trainer. Then you. Video the seller and trainer. Have your trainer video you.

Observe the horse’s care after the ride. Was it “rode hard and put up wet” or was properly prepared for return to stall/field? This is another indication of the quality of husbandry and that means a lot.

I’m generally agnostic on the subject of PPEs. I’ve bought with and without and suffered disappointments with and without. If you are talking high dollar horses then the thorough PPE is likely good insurance. Another factor, not usually discussed, is how you view your ownership. If you are going get deeply, emotionally involved then get the PPE even on low dollar horse because you will likely spend money on it if a problem develops. If you are going to be less emotionally connected and are willing to put a low dollar horse down that develops serious problems then the PPE is much less important.

If you can work out a “test” period then that would be a good thing. Ideally you want the test at your barn so that you can control such things as drug usage. But if you do that then you are responsible for the health, safety, and welfare of the horse. If it dies while in your custody, even if it might not be your fault, you’re still likely going to have to pay for it.

Have a reasonable sales contract if you decide to buy it. Don’t expect any guarantees. This isn’t a new car and you’re not going to get a three year, 36,000 mile warranty!!! I would not sign any contract where the seller demands rights of first refusal in the event of future sale (or anything of that sort) or wants any clause that that gives them any control over what you do in the future with the horse. That’s just creating a problem for yourself. If the seller adamant about such things then walk away.

Don’t make an offer that day. Usually it’s better to thank the seller and tell them that you will be in touch after you and your trainer discuss the matter. If you get “high pressure” (“you better act now because there’s another person coming later today and they WILL take the horse”) be polite but be firm and say “no.” Remember that “no” can be a complete sentence.

If you decide to make an offer be guided by your trainer on value. DON’T GET EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED WITH A HORSE YOU DON’T OWN!!! Don’t “rescue” it or do anything like that. Keep this a business transaction.

This is a template on how to approach the problem. Modify it as needed to fit your purposes.

Good luck in search! :slight_smile:

G.

P.S. I use the term “trainer” in a generic sense. It’s best that you use a professional who you pay for their time.

*Apologize profusely for having misread your calendar and just use the time to look around and see what there is to see. Remember you should keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut during this time.

I believe the old horseman John Lyons said “You ride the horse you lead” and I have found that to be so true horse after horse. As an amatuer horse owner I don’t want to deal with nonsense in a horse because I have X hours I can ride. If the horse has to be longed, round penned or have incense treatment before swinging a leg over it, it’s not for me.

Before I would get on a horse where I had no history with anyone in the horses background I would lead him/her by as many awkward, stupid, scary things I could find in the barn or facility. If he paid no attention to the things then I would saddle him up. If he/she looked/balked/turned away from the things I would pass on the horse, unless you want to try training it out of the horse. You ride the horse you lead.

The proof to my above example are the horses I currently own. One mare who I’ve owned for 9 years still notices ANYTHING changed in the barn- a stack of buckets in a new place, a pile of blankets, a paper plate on the ground, a splash of light on the ground from a window, etc and she moves her feet away from the things. She is the same way when being ridden, she’s shy over the most benign things and trust me, I’ve desensitized her 90 different ways. It is just her nature. Another mare pays zero attention to those things or anything, she is totally point and shoot, total war horse. It is just her nature. My driving donkey is like the second mare, she is a point and shoot girl, safe, safe, safe to drive!

I second the notion of arriving early to your appointment!!!

I did that for one appointment and arrived to find the horse being chased around in the indoor in an effort to “warm it up” since it “hadn’t been ridden in 2 weeks”.

Well, if you’ve had it on your schedule for several weeks that you have someone coming to try the horse, why weren’t you riding it regularly to show the horse to its best advantage? You either could ride it yourself or have your rider on it. When the horse then dumps its regular rider, that looks even worse. Yeah, you really should have tried to exercise the horse regularly before you show it to people.

On one hand I was relieved because I got an indication of what the horse is really like when it isn’t ridden regularly. On the other hand, I was a bit peeved about the time and money I spent to go see the horse. It involved a 5 hour drive, an overnight hotel stay and then a five hour drive back. Sellers need to have more respect for peoples’ time when they are willing to come see the horse in person.

Interestingly, I ended up buying another horse I saw on the same trip, something that came up while I was cruising the internet at the hotel, the same day I tried the horse and had that fiasco. That horse has since performed very well, pinning at some very large and prestigious shows.

I’ve always wondered how pulling blood works (I have everything else done). So what happens if you find out the horse has been drugged after you bought it?