Calling on the COTH Collective - mystery autoimmune presenting disorder

Where to begin? I will try to make this as concise as possible, trying to source the COTH collective on the cause of a mysterious autoimmune presenting disorder. Mostly for answers, but maybe for some support as in my heart I know I might not get any answers. I’m contemplating peaceful euthanasia at the moment, but this horse’s brain is still so bright and he is such a sweet heart :frowning:

7 yr old “sport horse” gelding, breeding unknown but sire is alleged “sport pony” & my guess dam is QH as he is fairly QH type-y. He is the horse from my other recent posts, thank you everyone for your previous responses, its been a struggle these past 2 years that I’ve had him and I feel fortunate to have COTH as a resource.

Two issues in PPE were upward fixation of the patella & cataracts in 1 eye, PPE vet was fairly optimistic that the stifle would resolve with proper exercise (although it never did). Over the past 2 years he has had the occasional hives (usually in spring) & chronic rain rot/skin bacteria infection, also brittle mane and tail. Again, maybe some internal issues but nothing unmanageable. Despite being sweet tempered and very chill he can also be very high anxiety in certain situations, I struggled with behavioural issues under saddle as well (sudden explosions and bucking).

Serious health issues started 6 months ago in Nov 2021, he had mystery swollen hind legs, no heat and completely sound but my gut knew something was not quite right so I called the vet. We pulled blood as a precaution & results came back with major internal inflammation/bleeding. Did as much diagnosis on the farm as we could & found a grade 1 heart murmur. Vet gave option of monitor bloodwork for signs of healing, administer antibiotics (vet’s least favourite option), or go to equine hospital for further diagnosis. I chose to monitor blood, 3 weeks later blood work was getting better and swelling was gone. We tested again in April & there was no improvement but no digression either.

End of May he started to be very lethargic, we were going through a heat wave and herd dynamics had recently changed so I didn’t think it was cause for concern but gave him some rest. On Tuesday last week his health rapidly declined, in the morning when I went to catch him he was not grazing and completely lame in the hind end. I brought him inside, we took his temp and found a fever of I believe 102/103. Called vet out & he was admitted to the equine hospital that evening.

Equine hospital so far has ruled out cancer but is no closer to a diagnosis. His intestines is inflamed and the walls are thicker than normal, heart murmur was stage 6 and you can see his pulse through his skin, fever was sustained for about 2-3 days, dramatic muscle loss along the topline and in his hips, tucked up belly, lots of discomfort in the hind end, knees will occasionally buckle. Still eating and drinking, actually he is over drinking and has difficulty peeing (dribbles), kidneys appear good. Fever finally broke on Saturday & some of his strength came back, only hours later an inflammation episode in his front left cannon area appeared with lameness and high amount of pain, it basically looks like an injury without actually being an injury.

If these symptoms sound familiar to anyone, I’m all ears into directions to research. I’ve probably left out of lot of what we’ve diagnosed for/what it isn’t, but basically we are stumped. We are waiting on test results for the 5 panel QH type genetic diseases…my heart recognizes that this might remain a medical mystery.

On one hand you can still see his bright self shining through, on Saturday before the morphine kicked in for his front left he was alternating between lying flat out and lying with his feet tucked under, and still found the energy to play with my shoes searching for carrots. The vets think that he has lots of life left in him. But I’m really worried that these boughts of inflammation/sickness are coming quicker and quicker & ethically I do think its better to let them go on a good day than let them go after too many bad days. I guess its all the unknowns and the unknown future that I’m struggling with…help :frowning:

ETA pictures of the little sick boy, maybe I’m bias but he’s still a cutie

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Poor guy, jingles for a turn around!

Since he probably has QH lineage, you can look into immune mediated myositis.

I’ve unfortunately worked near two (related) WBs with
MEEDS - Multisystemic Eosinophilic Epitheliotropic Disease. It might be something to look into although I’m not sure all the symptoms fit.

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Where are you geographically? Ticks carry some awful things that are hard to nail down at times, and can present as a weird range of symptoms.

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I was also going to suggest testing for all tickborne illnesses.

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Adding to the suggestions to discuss testing for tick borne disease with your vet.

Here’s some info from Rutger’s. There is more than Lyme and the geographic areas they show up in get bigger every year. https://esc.rutgers.edu/fact_sheet/ticks-lyme-disease-and-other-tick-borne-diseases-in-horses/

EDM has also presented with some unusual secondary symptoms. I know there was a article about one horse in the Chronicle a few years ago…he had stifle issues, some odd skin issues, and other strange things.

My gelding didn’t get neurological until the very end. He did have odd lameness, mostly stifle, that came and went. He also had excessive urination. On necropsy he had kidney disease (he was just 5) and pituitary abnormalities. The vets told me that on the patho reports, they’ve seen several other systems involved when they’ve made a confirmed EDM diagnosis…but it’s not been consistent from horse to horse, so they don’t have much explanation.

High anxiety and behavioral changes (explosions) in an otherwise normally sweet and sane horse is actually a trademark indicator for EDM. The muscle/topline loss and buckling would also be consistent.

I think you have answered your own question. Some of what has been suggested might be helpful in diagnosing him, but as far as curing him - doubtful if not outright no.

It’s hard. It’s crappy. It’s not what you want. But it’s what is needed. That poor boy - he’s lucky to have you for an owner.

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Thank you everyone :slight_smile:

Yes IMM is included in the 5 panel we’re doing.

Symptoms don’t quite fit but it’s something to keep in mind, reading the article there is a similar disease called GE (Granulomatous Enteritis) that fits closer & will be something to explore as well.

Yes hospital will be testing for Lyme disease.

That’s good to know, a possibility to explore post-mortem should test results be inconclusive.

Have the doctors ruled out bacterial endocarditis?

As @furlong47 mentioned, consider more than just Lyme, and maybe run a full tick panel if you can. Ticks carry some awful stuff.

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As far as an ultrasound shows, yes, he doesn’t have thickening of the heart valves as would be expected.

Sounds like Anaplasmosis.

We had a horse with leptospirosis.
Generally symptoms are a bit different, as it may attack different set of organs in each individual.
We lost my track training pony horse to lepto, his heart was beating so fast, vets could not count beats and could not bring heart rate under control.

Lepto is but one more zebra vets here consider when a horse has fuzzy symptoms.

You definitely want to test for Lyme disease. Yesterday. And other tick-borne diseases as well.

In fact, I’d ask the vet to start the horse on doxy even before the test results come back.

Good luck.

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I can bring these forward to the vet team, although other than the cataracs his eyes are healthy (ie no Uveitis). He did have a round of antibiotics last week & is currently receiving steroids. Inflammation in the legs persist, another small episode of inflammation and lameness in the front right yesterday.

He has been tested w/ two different methods, first method came back negative yesterday. He has been on antibiotics but I’m not sure specifically if they administered doxy.

Hi everyone - Isaac was euthanized this morning, he had been stable over the last couple days and the vet team was getting ready to discharge. He went into respiratory distress and developed a large amount of fluids in his lungs.

Will update if the post mortem finds anything conclusive.

I’m so sorry for your loss.

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I’m so sorry for your loss. You gave him the best chance possible.

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so sorry

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