Calling pedigree gurus! I love some input on this OTTB pedigree.

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=Winding Down;8356827]
That is very sad and troubling for the future of the TB breed for sport. Does this mean we should be looking more at German TBs?[/QUOTE]

Not really. Except for Mr. P who is infiltrating the rest of the world and, of course, John O’Gaunt, all of the lines mentioned are American bred dirt race horses that the rest of the world does not want. They don’t even want Bold Ruler. You can still find good horses here, but IMO they tend to be turfy with lots of foreign horses and older lines Americans.

[EventerRN]

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8356558]
A friend of mine who’s a COTH poster and eventer (haven’t seen her active in awhile so I’m not going to call her out) has a Medaglia D’Oro gelding who is one heck of an athlete. That horse will go far. Everyone who meets him knows it instantly. He’s actually pretty similarly bred to your guy, minus the AP Indy influence. He’s out of a Mr. P grandson. FWIW, he was also a roarer. He also never made it to the track (those two statements are unrelated).

Regarding your old war horse-- I LOVE Rhythm. That horse was all class.[/QUOTE]

My older man was actually renamed in USEA to honor his sire. It’s I’ve got the rhythm.

I would love to do something similar for this new guy. His barn name is Louis (Louie). So I would love ideas that have a French tie to them! I will post the video when I get home. The work network won’t let me…

[EventerRN]

That is really sad that not more is considered in TB racing. I love the breed and want to do my part to keep it relevant in Eventing.

[EventerRN]

http://youtu.be/cLedarR7llw

http://youtu.be/8XGu7r7k5wU
This is the the gelding a schooling xc. This is his 2nd or 3rd time. First time doing the bank and the ditch is at the end of the second video.

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=EventerRN;8357362]
http://youtu.be/cLedarR7llw

http://youtu.be/8XGu7r7k5wU
This is the the gelding a schooling xc. This is his 2nd or 3rd time. First time doing the bank and the ditch is at the end of the second video.[/QUOTE]

Very cute

[Elles]

Home Guard (out of a Bold Ruler mare) can be found in Europe. He was a nice horse that left good offspring and can also be found in sport horse breeding in Europe.

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=Elles;8357684]
Home Guard (out of a Bold Ruler mare) can be found in Europe. He was a nice horse that left good offspring and can also be found in sport horse breeding in Europe.[/QUOTE]

I can almost guarantee that if he was accepted in sport horse breeding in, say, Germany, it’s because his sire was Forli. When I say that the rest of the world doesn’t want Bold Ruler, I’m speaking generally. There are some Secretariat line horses in racing countries other than America. But in general, Bold Ruler is not a common sire or TB line in the rest of the world.

[Texarkana]

For what it’s worth, I’ve been to a few warmblood inspections with Secretariat-line TB mares and the inspectors went GAGA over their pedigrees. There was always a comment about how they like to see Secretariat in a thoroughbred pedigree.

I don’t know if it’s because they recognize the name more than others, or because they truly value his influence. But Secretariat was most definitely not a deterrent.

And then there’s THIS guy, six time leading thoroughbred sire in Germany and his champion son.

[EventerRN]

http://youtu.be/lnHjbcUqHwk

So with our frigid cold here. I thought I would post an update of Louis. He is super sweet his personality is just the best. Thanks again guys for all your wisdoms! I have been reading all I can on horses in his pedigree it’s been really fun! Stay warm!

If you turn up the volume you can hear the roar that was discussed, it has not gotten louder than that. However, I will be keeping a close eye on it as we school up the levels in the future.

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8356526]
This is simply not true. If it were, the John O’Gaunt line would have died out eons ago. The In Excess line would not be around still. The Unbridled line would not be at the top. Mr. Prospector’s crooked legs would not have been perpetuated. Bold Ruler would have disappeared.

The TB industry, except maybe in Germany, will breed anything that is fast and can pass on fast, without any other considerations. In America they consider it a job well done if a horse can make it through its three year old year without euthanasia. If fast, no matter what’s wrong, they go to the breeding shed.[/QUOTE]

Haven’t revisited this thread since posting. I respect the majority of your posts/comments. Though IMO and experience on the TB side of things I feel you are ‘grasping at straws’ to make a case for or against.

“John O’Gaunt”? Please, he’s nothing more than a ‘foot note’ by and large.

As to the rest of this gibberish, well its just that. You are casting a really BROAD blanket.

I question just exactly what is you experience in the TB industry? The breeding of. How much money time and effort have you put into the breeding and or racing of TBs?

Yes, you are more than welcome and entitled to say what ever you want. But without giving any sort of background information, a link to you home page that gives us an idea of where your broad knowledge comes from. Without IMO it has little merit and should be taken with a grain of salt.

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=beowulf;8356538]
Right, which is why I indicated in my first post that it’s a chicken/egg question… hard to assess the soundness of a stallion’s get when you don’t know if it’s because they are pushed too much at lower races or if it’s truly a structural reason.

I don’t agree that there isn’t a market for horses when negative information comes out. I’m with Viney on that one. Icecapade, RAN and In Excess come to mind immediately.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough in part.

Not sure why you would reference Icecapade, Raise a Native and In Excess. Own/managed Shares in Icecapde, knew his breeder well, and Raise A Native. Bred and sold nice horses from both of them. Did VERY with the shares.

Bought several nice but average yearlings by In Excess. But they did well enough on the racetrack to go back for more.

I liked him enough to breed 2 mares to his son Notional which are now 3 year olds. That we will race. Beautiful horses, well made with great minds. Not sure how good they will be on the race track time will tell. But I have NO problem waiting and train them for Steeplechase racing. Have standing offers from a couple of Eventing people if I should decide to sell.

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=HiJumpGrrl;8356379]
gumtree, so have i worked with and around TBs an awful lot. I love them. Many roar. Mine does not saying it to be judgemental.

per the Merk Veterinary Manual, it is associated with male horses and breeds with longer necks, so not surprising that you have known WBs that roar. Also according to the same source, “The prevalence in young Thoroughbreds presented for sale is estimated to be ~3%–5%.” (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/respiratory_system/respiratory_diseases_of_horses/laryngeal_hemiplegia_in_horses.html) That’s a lot of TBs![/QUOTE]

Fair enough but having inspected 1000s and 1000s over the years, followed many, many that we did not buy. I can only recall a hand full that ‘roared’.

“The prevalence in young Thoroughbreds presented for sale is estimated to be ~3%–5%”

Maybe at one time but not in this day and age given the diagnostic available. The majority of breeders these days, at least those that know what they are doing would brother to go to the time and expense of sending a horse to auction that didn’t have a ‘text book throat’

I/we have vetted countless sales yearlings and 2 year olds in training over the years. IME wouldn’t come close to even 3% failing.

Believe what you want when it comes to reading about things. Me I tend to only believe in real life experience.

No disrespect intended. To each their own.

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8356589]
They do surgery, they straighten legs, they tie back, they run them and then they breed them.[/QUOTE]

Again, you are casting a very broad blanket. Were exactly do you get your information from? Sorry but this IMO and experience is a bit of nonsense.