'Calming temperament' stallions?

[half_pass1]

What Hannoverian stallions consistently seem to produce foals with level heads? I have a lovely 5yo Bravissimo/Rohdiamant/Akzent II (http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10968974) - great mover, clever but very sensitive and highly strung.

She is quite fine, so a stallion with a bit more bulk is not out of the question. Calm brains are the only thing that really need improving! :winkgrin:

The stallion must be Hannoverian branded as she is Westfalen, will be doing her Hannoverian Verband approvals this year and I want the foal to be Hannoverian branded. Also, we are based in Germany.

[Dan]

Without question Fabriano!

He throws the type of horses you could put your kids on without worry.

Dan

[europa]

I have 2 Escudo II kids and they are the MOST level headed babies and horses I have ever owned…and totally fearless. The R line dressage horses are very amateur friendly as well. Code for a great temperment.

Also, Fielding or any stallion with Lungau or Lugano in the pedigree.

[Callaway]

If you don’t mind breeding to a ‘B’ line stallion and doubling up on the ‘R’ and ‘D,’ consider Bugatti Hilltop. I have bred 2, out of a hot, very sensitive ‘A’ line mare. The resulting colts are very similar. They are both calm and aren’t spooky, but they’re not duds, either. They have a good amount of sensitivity, but are very sensible (and therefore easy to ride). They also have better gaits than their dam.

I took a green broke 3 year old (that had only been consistently under saddle for 5 weeks) and showed him at Dressage at Devon in the materiale. He was perfect–never spooked and did everything that I asked. He was the easiest horse I’ve ever started. Here he was this summer after just two weeks of work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcoqo7uEZiM

[password]

Your lovely mare’s pedigree doesn’t seem that spicy so curious as to where you think that it came from. Lord Sinclair?

[fannie_mae]

small world.
i know the breeder, the mare and the damline well
she was the easiest filly at foal age, think there should still be some cuddling pics of her somewhere on my pc…
know nothing about bravissimo and his get under saddle, the stallion didn’t breed that much overhere, thus as a sire he is a blank to me.
however, knowing the damline and what you are saying about her i would breed her to a stallion of frame and little refinery.
ever thought of royal highness? exquisit proven damline, lighter frame and pick up on R-line.
alabaster - as long as he is still available. timeless sire of outspoken pedigree and nobless, welcome pick up of akzent genetics.
belantis (if you don’t mind grey colour) - incredible youngster displaying all of his sire’s benefits (walk, ridability, frame) plus a valuable tb influence (exposee) and pick up on B-line (bolero/belissimo/bravissimo via benetton dream/brentano/bolero).

[half_pass1]

Thanks for the replies! Lots to think about here - I am thinking that the R or F lines could be very good for her. She’s not really hot as such, just a bit stressy. When she is in her known, every day routine she is really fine and quiet as a lamb, but as soon as something is different she just loses her cool and gets nervous.

password: I really don’t know enough about bloodlines just yet to be able to pin point where the ‘spice’ is coming from! I have heard from another trainer that Bellissimo offspring can be a bit ‘looky’ though.

fannie mae: very small world!! I would love to see some photos of her as a foal if you can find them. I’ve got photos of her from 2 years old from the previous owner. She is still very cuddly but a very ‘one-person’ horse. She is much happier now that she is able to be out in the fields 8 hours a day instead of standing in a box for 23 hours a day.

[alexandra]

Fabriano even though a lot of people think he is old fashioned.
Don Principe (in Germany only via frozen, but it works).
Benetton Dream - no idea if he is offered fresh this year.

Interesting that Sabine has Alabaster on her list. He is on my own list for don’t if you want a nice and easy horse.

[ahf]

[QUOTE=alexandra;7359219]

Interesting that Sabine has Alabaster on her list. He is on my own list for don’t if you want a nice and easy horse.[/QUOTE]

Mine too. Iv’e known a couple, and while I admire their spark, quality and intelligence, none of them I ever wanted to actually ride.

[password]

Interesting that fannie mae mentioned Belantis, as we liked him a lot but wondered if his grey color and not super fashionable damsire would get in the way of getting really good mares.

Expo’se seems lovely though and we’ve seen a few with him in the pedigree that were quite interesting. Any other comments on him?

[Miss_Dior]

Rotspon. Very well known for it.

[Blume_Farm]

[QUOTE=Miss Dior;7359954]
Rotspon. Very well known for it.[/QUOTE]

He does have that reputation. Having said that my riding horse is by Rotspon. I would not call her hot, trail rider her extensively, great riding horse, etc and she is AA friendly. She is though a “center of attention” horse. Wants to be involved in everything…when cleaning her stall she stands checking everything out, during feeding time wants to be first, when sees treats starts to nicker/ paw/ roll her nose up, can’t leave things in her reach as she will take them, etc. She is also VERY sensitive to her person’s mood. When I am calm, she is calm. If am nervous, she is nervous. She is bold, but wants a leader. Does that make sense?

I wouldn’t trade her as I have learned a lot riding her and love her personality. However, I would not call her a “dead head” type horse like my little paint mare.

[half_pass1]

We’ve got a Rotspon coming this year from our Locksley II mare (http://www.sporthorse-data.com/db.php?i=10968861&time=1389168443). She’s a pretty relaxed girl, much more so than the Bravissimo mare, but she does still have her occasional fire-breathing dragon moments, maybe twice a week walking back from the fields!

Any one have any info/opinions on Decurio? I’m thinking he could potentially be a nice match - unless there is something I don’t know about the D line being fiery?
http://www.landgestuet-sachsen-anhalt.de/Hauptseiten/HS_V02_Decurio_LSA_ENG.htm

Just as a note, the resulting foal does not have to be AA friendly, that’s not necessary, it would be nice to breed a horse who is a touch less nervy than the mare though!

[Derid]

@half*pass;7360390

We’ve got a Rotspon coming this year from our Locksley II mare (http://www.sporthorse-data.com/db.php?i=10968861&time=1389168443).

She is lovely!

[rodawn]

Both my Rascalino (Rotspon/Velten Third/World Cup III) and Dannebrog (Don Schufro/Brentano II/Arogno) foals are very level headed and easy, easy, easy to work with. They learn things quickly, both are very pretty and well put together too.

http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10925894

http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10928914

[houserabbitz]

Regarding Fabriano, I have been going back to Fisherman’s Friend the last two seasons. I really like him.

[BrokenArrow]

Fishermans Friend is the sire of my 5yr old.

He’s quiet and very talented. Very sharp hind end, big mover and the biggest thing is his brain. While we still have scatty baby moments he is really trainable and rideable. He’s training 3rd easily right now without blowing his brain at all. I would always cross Fishermans Friend with hotter lines as they can be big, slow and clumpy sometimes with not so refined mares.

[4M_Perennial_Farm]

Fabriano for calm, Escudo II for smart

We have two 2012 foals by Fabriano. Both have been easy so far and have given us every reason to expect this will continue.

The first Fabriano get is a filly out of a 2009 Londonderry/Santano/Grandduell mare. This mare was bred by us, and is the mount of our 15 year old. The mare is talented but could be more self assured. Her filly by Fabriano looks to have at least as much potential but with a much more secure demeanor.

Our second get of Fabriano is a colt (now gelded) out of a Tb mare. This mare tends to worry. With this colt we again got improvements on the mare including a secure demeanor.

For comparison, we also have two Escudo II fillies (2010 and 2011) out of a Harper (trak) mare. The dam is smart, calm and highly self assured.

Both of our Escudo II fillies are scary smart. The older has been in training for a few months. She is a favorite of those who interact with her for any length of time. She wants so badly to please that she is prone to showing frustration if she doesn’t understand what is expected of her. The trainer has been high on her from the first days in training. However, the trainer has cautioned that the filly tries so hard that she needs a rider who will appreciate her efforts even when she has misinterpreted the aids. Time will tell with the second Escudo II filly, who will go to training in a few months.

We like both fillies by Escudo II, but I’d give the nod to Fabriano when the only criterion is calmness. If looking for intelligent, Escudo II should be on your list. In our experience, Escudo II has not added height while Fabriano has.

Note: Add high intelligence to a willing mare. High intelligence without willingness is a different challenge than most of us seek.

[Borntorun]

I’d go with the R line stallions…My “r” baby is the best, sweetest, kindness mare ever! Not mareish at all and handles everything in stride. Friendly and curious and great movement. Total “ami” friendly filly.