Sunnydays, did you find out anything about Falsterbo?
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Not to hijack this very educational thread, but I’d love it if you would elaborate on what you mean about the Boleros, Fannie Mae. Feel free to PM me or start a new thread.
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I too would be interested in this. My best Hanoverian mare is o/o a Bolero granddaughter, and her sire (Rubino Bellisamo) also has Bolero on the dam side.
It seems the B-line is enjoying a resurgence in popularity, but most are coming from Brentano II. Were none of Bolero’s other sons good producers?
Falsterbo is showing with Johnny Hilberath now. From the Fidermark sons I have followed I definitely favor For Compliment. Re. Fidertanz I did expect him to be more of a foal-producer than to stand out with adult progeny as all the foals I’ve seen sell for top € were looking to mature into quite substantial little things and I would think might look much less impressive as mature horses when the foal-charme fades away.
FC is my big bet for a stallion that will likely show his true value a few years down the road when I’m afraid he might be long gone to some place less exposed than PS stallion station. I should get myself some frozen before that happens 
Can you comment on the temperaments of the Farewell III offspring?
I had a 2004 Falsterbo, that I am eagerly waiting on a video of him under saddle from his owner. I LOVE this colt and would have been my keeper under different circumstances. Such a sweetheart and movement that made you go WOW and also a great jump. I hope in the future to use Falsterbo again.
FWIW, I’ve had foals (all colts out of different dams) by Farewell III, Furst Heinrich and Florencio and can honestly say that the character of each of them was spectacular. Their new owners are very pleased with them. The youngest is the Florencio and he’s a huge mover, very tall and, although a yearling with his full equipment, never does anything remotely crazy. He’s not dull, but just very very sensible and eager to please. I love the “F” line.
I have three by Fidertanz from this year and last (2 are ETs) and this was an excellent cross with my Wolkentanz I/ Rohdiamant mare. The movement has lots of suspension, but also nice ground cover and looseness. The temperament is as easy as they come — calm yet sensitive, smart, willing to try new things and very obedient and quick to learn what is expected.
Anybody have more to add to this very interesting thread? Is Farewell I proving to be a better sire than Farewell III?
I am a huge fan of the F-Line. Hard to beat for trainability and good walks. I have two Florencios, two Fidertanz’s and a Fackeltanz. Also have mares in foal to Fuerst Romancier and Fuerstenball for 2010. All are super horses with super characters.
But have to comment on my experience with Fidertanz. I have two three year olds. A Fidertanz/Harvard mare which I purchased as a foal and imported and, Federer, a Fidertanz/Rubinstein gedling that I bred.
Th Fidertanz mare, Fiderline, won the GOV Mare performance test this year at High Point with a 8.14. No score below “8”. I also received an e-mail today stating that Fiderline was named top GOV Oldenburg mare in North America for 2009. She was three in June and is butt high, but got the job done. She is going to be a super horse for the Four Year Olds next year.
The Fidertanz/Rubinstein gelding is even better! He was under saddle for 2 1/2 months before we took him to Devon where he earned a second and third place in the under saddle classes. I have video of him with Johannnes Westendarp from two weeks ago, where Johannes praised him as a model for a young horse. Honest, forward, good in the connection at less than three months under saddle. Both of these Fidertanz’s will be 17.0 hands. Fidertanz is no different than any other stallion. You need to use him with the right mare, but I have been pleased with what mine have demonstrated under saddle.
Congratulations on your success with your Fidertanz offspring!
I think Croisadore’s Fidertanz offspring are spectacular - and both (obviously) excellent crosses. Really setting the bar.
My experience is more recent, so less “reliable”. (I realize - a sample of one or two has no statistical reliability) - so this is just 2 breedings to the same mare who is Prince Orac xx (sire of Potomac) and Shogun xx on the damline, Don Bosco on top.
The 2008 model filly was in the callback ring at her foal inspection (Reserve Filly) - very pretty, feminine, eye-catching, lots of suspension and presence. The 2009 model, a colt, was overall Champion at his Hanoverian inspection (out of 18) and designated a stallion prospect. He too is refined, masculine, leggy. The 2008 is going to be very tall, and I think the 2009 will be also (mom is close to 16.3) Both foals have super temperaments, with the colt being the most-laid back fellow you can imagine (filly is very easy - but a bit of a diva “look at me … I’m so pretty”). Both very optimistic in their outlook on life. I do think Fidertanz is well worth considering - but would not put him to a mare who was not refined and modern in type and lineage. (My 2 cents)
There was a super Fidertanz-Quattro-Feiner Stern in the Vechta auction as well. A really super horse and one of the best Fidertanz sons I had seen even if he was the “refined” type for breeding.
However, it is not so easy as Fannie Mae said to breed to the F line and get super movers. Nancy has some good ones, and there are really good ones out there, but many of the nicest foals grow up to not be big enough movers to incite the “wow” factor in Germans. :lol:
For Compliment is being sold in this year’s PSI auction, so I am saying a little prayer that he comes to the US. He seems very good crossed with blood type mares.
As far as Farewell III goes I am in Australia and have two Fillies by him. The first is a black/brown yearling from a thoroughbred mare. She is super quiet, has the most elevated trot with lots of knee and hock action and most of all a kind and very sensible nature. She was recently sold (for just under $20,000)to a amature lady rider who has lots of children that climb all over her in the paddock and she is a very tolerant and gentle sole even at such a young age. The second filly is now three weeks old. She is out of a Sandro Hit mare and is a dead ringer for Fidermark! I couldn’t believe it when a chestnut foal popped out especially when my mare has a pedigree full of dark coated horses and Farewell is also dark. The filly I have named ‘Florabel’ is liver chestnut with Fidermarks star and similar white socks. She is very confident, outgoing and friendly and once again a movement artist. This filly has a better walk and canter than the yearling (in itself surprising as the mare has the Sandro Hit walk). She has been nothing but a pleasure to deal with so I think she will definitely be a keeper.
Would I breed to Farewell III again?-in a heart beat! What more could I have hoped for in two doses of frozen semen-two stunning fillies!
photos of both available if you email me on narbethongep@hotmail.com
Do you think Farewell III added to your mare’s knee and hock action in the resulting foal, or didn’t take away what she already had? How is the size of your foals compared to the dam’s?
Farewell III added quality in the movements particularly the trot in filly 1 and the walk in filly 2.
The dam of filly 2 is Sandro Hit Don Ramiro (by Don Primero) and she has a 9 trot and 8.5 canter (6.5 walk) already so as this is her first foal I cant really comment if Farewell III is responsible or the dam is but he has seriously improved the walk-looks like a 9!
Height wise both were out of maidens so were small when the were born but have well and truly caught up to the others.
Filly A is out of a 16hh thoroughbred and look to mature 16.1-16.2
Filly B is out of a 16.2hh mare and looks like a normal sized foal now so probably mature around 16.2hh.
I think that Farewell III would add movement to a TB, but is not known for adding movement to his foals in general. However, there are some quite good moving ones sometimes.
Falsterbo is a very light type stallions, quite refined and hot – not so easy to show although is doing the small tour. I don’t know how his foals are since I have never seen one. Judy Yancey did have a few foal photos thought I believe on her website.
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I’m dredging up this old thread because I’m curious if there are any new insights into the Fidermark sons?
so far i have nothing to add to what i have said in previous posts. no further enlightening discoveries in sons of fidermark.
i truly believe he shares the weltmeyer fortune, being a valuable mare-producer. “engine” in fidermark daughters’ get, same way there is engine in w-daughters’ get.
however, i am still looking for a resaonable son of fidermark myself to dare inbreeding with one of my mares or one of their daughters.
currently, klosterhof medingen offers an elder son of fidermark (fiders welt, flagranti) for breeding, they found him in austria and he was supposedly injured, as such no further track record in sport despite having been nominated for the worldchampionships of young horses age 5 in 2006 or so.
the interesting part about this fidermark son is his damline, he descends from a mare by weltmeyer (which sounds promising) and falling damline is eldest westfalian performance blood. he was licensed in westfalia back than, age 2 1/2.
i have looked at my old licensings and preselection catalogues and checked my notes. he didn’t seem to impress me back than, but that was at a time when westfalian licensings were swamped with fidermark sons (half a douzen that respective year) and measure lines were high.
i will try to get hold of him at the klosterhof stallion show this spring to update my personal impression in him. however, that still won’t display anything about his heritage qualities as a sire. we will see if breeders make use of him this year, so next year’s foal inspection up there might be a valuable place to go.
Thanks, Fannie Mae.
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