Can this gelding be registered ISR (or anything else)?

[cllane1]

I have an 8 y.o. gelding by a KWPN-NA stallion and out of an MS approved Hanoverian mare. A friend bred him but never got him inspected or registered anywhere. I got him at 2 and getting approval somewhere didn’t matter to me.

I have a buyer interested who wants to see if he can be registered OLD-ISR. The stallion is approved Oldenburg. But the mare is not (unless they have some sort of reciprocal arrangement with AHA).

I know very little about warmblood registries and their ins and outs. Can this horse be registered with and/or approved by any of the registries?

[DownYonder]

Was the stallion ever approved by KWPN? If so, call them and ask. Hanover is considered an Erkend registry, but I don’t know enough about KWPN to know if they will consider the horse for registration if the dam was not inspected by them.

Or you can try ISR/ONA - they are a private registry not affiliated with any of the major European Verbands, and they sort of make up their own rules, so they may issue papers.

But why is the buyer insisting on registration papers for an 8 y/o gelding? To compete for breed awards? To make the horse more marketable? Why not just register with Performance Horse Registry?

[cllane1]

The only reason I can think of that the buyer wants him registered is that maybe she has some competition points that she wants to keep and add to (points that stay with the the rider rather than the horse, maybe?).

Looks like it’s doable: her trainer has talked to OLD and since the mare is inspected and approved, they just need a copy of her papers and a DNA sample from the gelding.

[DownYonder]

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Looks like it’s doable: her trainer has talked to OLD and since the mare is inspected and approved, they just need a copy of her papers and a DNA sample from the gelding.[/QUOTE]

Oldenburg does not issue registration papers for a horse whose dam has not been inspected by them. So it sounds as though the trainer did not talk to the official Oldenburg registry (Oldenburg Horse Breeders Society / Oldenburg Verband), but instead to the pseudo-registry ISR/ONA. As I stated above, ISR/ONA is a private registry that bends its rules everytime there is money to be made - so I am not surprised they will issue registration papers for an 8 y/o whose dam they never inspected and that is not in their mare books. (And it is why that organization is not viewed by most experienced breeders as a top tier registry.)

[ise]

Downyonder I’m sending your comments to the ISR/OLDNA office and also contacting the COTH about your statements here. They are defamatory and untrue.

[MysticOakRanch]

Not sure if they will register if the mare is unregistered, but if they DO, it would be in the “ISR” book - horse has to be inspected and registered as a foal to make it to the “Old” book.

You might also check with KWPN - they don’t require mares to be inspected if the mare is already in one of the “accepted” registries. I just don’t know what their rules are once the offspring is past its first year.

I assume the buyer wants the horse registered. Maybe for All Breeds awards?