Doesn’t sound sketch. It is through Stacey Ann on FB.
Can’t PPE without current owners consent and perhaps the horse is no longer available, those listings are sometimes not updated to stay current and non racing horses aren’t held forever waiting for the phone to ring. Sometimes they won’t hold a horse for results of a PPE either, you want it, you turn over the check, load it up and go. The track is a different culture then a hobby horse barn, if they aren’t racing they take up space and time that could be used by horses that are actively racing.
That said, when did you leave the message? Sometimes it takes more then a few days to return messages. You started this thread less then a week ago and got the advice to leave a message just a few days ago. Leave another message and wait awhile before crossing him off your list. Meanwhile, keep looking.
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There was simply a messaging problem. He is still available. A vetting is set up for tomorrow. I will be there with my trailer. I was planning to have blood pulled but now I am not sure if I need it. If he looks good on a general vetting–no X-rays, I plan to bring him home. He last raced on 7/2, not sure if I should be looking for something specific in his blood or not.
Any advice on having blood pulled?
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Whooo!! Stacy Ann lists a lot of nice horses. Hope the vetting goes well!
You know you’ve got to get us some pictures now don’t you? 
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In a perfect world you would but unless you specifically write into your bill of sale you can rescind it and haul him back based on test results for a refund when the test comes back (it can take a few days to a week to get them back if it’s sent to a lab) Doubt it’s an option here.
The tests only reveal what is looked for, you don’t get a complete listing of all substances anyway and alot of the popular substances in the Show Horse world aren’t popular at the track and/ or don’t test anyway. Unless this horse’s trainer(s) has a record of positive tests, which would be public, I think that’s about as good as any blood test will reveal. And it’s not like they are keeping him on something to stay sound so buyers can test ride him over jumps or take him home for a trial. You like it you buy it and take it with you if you buy at the track.
They are more actively testing race horses then show horses and only vets can give injections at the track IIRC. If he raced last month, it’s ulikely he had anything for that race.
I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. Buying is always a crap shoot and this seller is trying to do the right thing and being honest about the horse. Seller is not trying to prove it safe for your 8 year old to show. If seller has a decent reputation, think you are allright on that front.
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Why no x-rays?
Even some echo would be good.
You said you don’t wanted another crippled horse.
To me, that’s a basic.
I’ve passed on a line fracture on a pastern.
For a TB, I would do its feet too to have a baseline for future shoeing.
I understand this is quite expensive for a 2k OTTB, but I think you’d save on the long run.
And you don’t have to go thru everything, as soon as something comes up, you can stop.
The list of trainers who have not had a positive test for one thing or another is not long. More important is what medication tested and how often.
Picked him up yesterday! This boy: https://www.pedigreequery.com/tranquil+warrior
Had trouble uploading a photo but I will keep trying!
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Yay, how fun!!! Congrats!
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Nice
- cost more then the horse.
- vets don’t all carry advanced portable imaging equipment fior field PPEs on their trucks, x rays don’t reveal soft tissue damage
- track sellers often don’t wait for results to come back or second opinions
4)OP is not a novice and understands the risks.
Reading on here, it seems everybody gets a PPE, the truth is the opposite. While I always recommend it, I think out of about 15 horses I’ve owned outright for more then a few months, only got two PPEs. One young horse was clean and never came sound under saddle once started in a regular training program. The other older horse was very expensive for me, already doing what I was buying it to do came up with a problem but bought it anyway and it just about never took a lame step in the next 11 years.
I tend to buy mid to lower priced older horses well started from known sellers who needed them gone and had to be going sound in the intended job so that weeds out the more fragile ones. OP is buying a veteran and most of those sound enough for that many starts aren’t going to break so easy. It is a big risk even with a clean PPE and over 2k worth if x rays, ultra sounds, thermal imaging and blood tests
I hear the mega expensive horses don’t get PPEs either. Vet records are openly shared but apparently no vet wants to get involved with anything beyond a consult on million dollar++++ purchases.
As I said, over the internet, officially, yes everybody should get a very detailed PPE. IRL…depends on your risk tolerance, experience and knowing what you are buying from whom.
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It’s a moot point as the OP bought the horse …
Just wanted to remind you what the OP wrote :
I do really like the horse but since I have a barn full of old and broken horses, I don’t want another one. I am trying to be careful. I don’t mind reschooling another one as long as it is sound! I plan to at least have a quick PPE. He is priced at 2k.
So there was a PPE, I was just wondering then why no x-rays or echo as :
- It doesn’t cost more than a horse to have a few x-rays. Not talking about a full body scan here.
- Many vets carry potable imaging devices and it’s something you can easily ask for when looking for a vet.
3)That’s not the OP’s problem… - I only asked a question regarding doing some X-rays in the PPE since the OP was doing anyway…
- Keeping an unsound horse is expensive and I doubt the OP could « return it »…
Reading on here, it seems everybody gets a PPE, the truth is the opposite. While I always recommend it, I think out of about 15 horses I’ve owned, only got two PPEs. One young horse was clean and never came sound under saddle once started in a regular training program. The other older horse already doing what I was buying it to do came up with a problem but bought in anyway and it just about never took a lame step in the next 11 years. I tend to buy older horses well started and going sound in the intended job so that weeds out the more fragile ones. OP isbuying a veteran
Maybe the training was the problem for the young one.
PPE are not « clean » or « not », they show the prospective buyer where the horse stand health wise. You’ve bought a horse with a known problem and dealt with it because you probably knew it wouldn’t hinder much it’s performance and you’ve trained him according to it.
Buying a horse that’s done its job and stayed sound for a long time is indeed a good way to go.
I hear the mega expensive horses don’t get PPEs either. Vet records are openly shared but apparently no vet wants to get involved with anything beyond a consult on million dollar++++ purchases.
A lot is being said… doesn’t mean it’s true or completely false…
Million dollar horses have already (I assume) extensive vet records that are quite up to date. They, usually, have rads from when they were younger to now… Million dollar horses are usually known… quite difficult to keep private any type of lameness. So I guess a need for a regular PPE would be ridiculous. I doubt they did flexions on Totilas…
Vets don’t have to be involved more than for consults in any sales. They are only there to show you where the horse stand.
ETA: OP, Congrats on your new TB!!!
Congrats OP!!! Looks like a fun one!
Thanks to all!
Congrats on your new boy!
