I just received a 16 warmblood that has said to be a canadian warmblood. First things first, he is pinto in color. Brown and white, I know registries like the oldenburgs can have colored warmbloods. Can canadian warmbloods be of color first. And anyone know any good parentage/heritage dna testing that I could get to know exactly what he is lol !
Thanks for reading and hopefully responding (:
Post his pedigree!
And Yes Canadian Warmbloods can be pintos…not many are though.
Martha
Thats the problem I have no pedigree only a coggins ! Thats why im in search of maybe getting a dna test for pedigree if thats even possible!
What is the horses reg. name? Or any info you might have. Previous owners name age, sire, dam…
Anyone can advertise a horse is a “blank” if there is no papers or proof. I might have chosen one of the European registries if your going to make up a pedigree but people think it is easier to lie about CW. There is an online data base with all of the CW horses and their pedigrees along with the DNA info (if any).
And yes a horse can get Aux papers or can be a CW (think Samber lines) if it is a part bred and/or a has a sire that is approved by the European registries.
Unfortunately, without knowing his registered name, breeder name, sire name…something to go on, there is no way to do a DNA test to determine who he is. The only way DNA verification is possible is to know who the parents are and then your horse’s DNA is compared against the parents DNA. Unfortunately, there is no main database in which a horse’s DNA can be submitted and magically match it to parents within the database.
FWIW, there are some PMU farms up here that do breed with warmblood stallions on their draftX, APHA or whatever type mare. He could be off of one of those farms as well as there are some people that just breed DraftX’s and call them Canadian Warmbloods just because they were bred in Canada and they think breeding a hot to cold blood makes a warmblood. To them it has nothing to do with possibly having CWHBA papers. So without knowing sire/dam or anything about your horses pedigree he really could be anything as far as breeding.
You possibly “could” try contacting the CWHBA and maybe somehow they could check via his age to see if there were any registered pinto geldings that age and it might give you a starting point if there are any in their system.
A few sellers will label something as a ‘Canadian Warmblood’ because they think buyers accept that as enough. I came across a CoTH’er one time trying to sell a Clyde/Hackney mare as a ‘Canadian Warmblood’. I just happened to recognise her from a previous sale flyer up here.
Any horse bred with CWBHA or CSHA will have a registration and pedigree documentation. If the horse was sold without, you will be pretty hard pressed to figure out if the horse was registered and with whom.
If it’s a possible PMU, you could get touch with NAIRIC (sp?), as they have many records with photos of horses who were bred and entered in their programs.
Thank you everyone for their input. I mainly have dealt with thoroughbreds, working at the track and re-training so when it comes to warmbloods, etc I am at a loss. He came with no registration papers. So I’ll probably never know if he really is.
On another note, I ride dressage and am a member of USDF is it worth getting him registered as an American Warmblood for the all-breed awards. Not to worried about it just wanted to get more input!
Thanks again to everyone for giving me insight on this topic.
Hes a beautiful boy who gives it his all. Warmblood or not hes perfect (:
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FWIW, there are some PMU farms up here that do breed with warmblood stallions on their draftX, APHA or whatever type mare. He could be off of one of those farms as well as there are some people that just breed DraftX’s and call them Canadian Warmbloods just because they were bred in Canada and they think breeding a hot to cold blood makes a warmblood. To them it has nothing to do with possibly having CWHBA papers. So without knowing sire/dam or anything about your horses pedigree he really could be anything as far as breeding.
You possibly “could” try contacting the CWHBA and maybe somehow they could check via his age to see if there were any registered pinto geldings that age and it might give you a starting point if there are any in their system.[/QUOTE]
Exactly!
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Thank you everyone for their input. I mainly have dealt with thoroughbreds, working at the track and re-training so when it comes to warmbloods, etc I am at a loss. He came with no registration papers. So I’ll probably never know if he really is.
On another note, I ride dressage and am a member of USDF is it worth getting him registered as an American Warmblood for the all-breed awards. Not to worried about it just wanted to get more input!
Thanks again to everyone for giving me insight on this topic.
Hes a beautiful boy who gives it his all. Warmblood or not hes perfect (:[/QUOTE]
I’m glad he is in a home that appreciates him, regardless of his pedigree. But chances are he is not a Canadian Warmblood or people would have passed some info on. I would doubt any registry would give him papers as he is an unknown gelding, (a mare you might get breeding approval). It seems common for people (read the other thread about Tye dye) to claim warmblood status for draft crosses (he isn’t “that” horse, is he? A small cute draft cross that does dressage and used to be a stallion?).
Regardless, good luck and enjoy your boy.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?362754-Tye-dye-equines
And keep in mind, a CWB is of WB bloodlines, plus TB etc are approvable. They don’t approve DraftX’s. CSHA is more “sporthorse type” and have less restrictive pedigree requirements.
I did see a pinto “CWB” advertised… except then the ad went on and it was pretty clearly a TB/Paint/Perch. It was super cute, it just wasn’t a CWB.
In my neck of the woods, people with PMUs, PerchXs, and other mixed draft/hot blood combos advertise them as “Canadian Warmbloods” from a merit perspective. It’s not necessarily true that they’re CWDs, but it sounds a lot better on paper to say “6 yr old CWD BN/N event horse” than it does to say “6 yr old pinto draftX event horse”. It is usually a marketing gimmick.
Oh I hate when people advertise horses as canadian warmblood when they have no proof of registry etc. I wish the general public realized that Canadian Warmblood is a proper association and is not just a general term used to describe a draft X type horse that was born or bred in Canada… I never believe someone unless they can provide proper proof of papers or lineage. I knew someone personally that brought a horse for training that stated just that, and the horse was a belgium/TB mare and was definitely NOT a CWHBA horse. My motto is no proof then they are not Canadian Warmblood. Also Canadian Warmblood is not just a registry that allows in anything and everything, we have parametres and inspections and guidelines. It frustrates me when people use the title so willy nilly, as it demeans the many quality horses we have in our registry.
