Someone recently mentioned Canadian warmbloods for a hunter and I was wondering if someone could explain the breed-or what breeds make one?
Thanks
All of our Canadian Warmbloods were PMU. Generally TB X Draft.
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All of our Canadian Warmbloods were PMU. Generally TB X Draft.[/QUOTE]
If she means actually registered with the Canadian Warmblood association, than no, they would not be half draft. Canadian Sport horse maybe…although we used to call the PMU draft crosses Saskatchewan warmbloods…
The Canadian Warmblood registry accepts warmbloods from other approved registries as well as thoroughbreds into its books. Mares/fillies need to be approved to be officially in the stud book, as do Stallions. They are looking for horses that will excel in dressage, eventing, hunters or jumpers. (or I suppose competitive driving as well?)
read more here: http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/
The Canadian Sport Horse Association does not allow drafts into its studbook. Perhaps 6 or 7 generations ago there may be some draft blood but not permitted now…nor has been for quite some time actually.
The CSHA is Canada’s oldest sport horse registry incorporated in 1926. The link for the National site is http://www.c-s-h-a.org/
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The Canadian Sport Horse Association does not allow drafts into its studbook. Perhaps 6 or 7 generations ago there may be some draft blood but not permitted now…nor has been for quite some time actually.
The CSHA is Canada’s oldest sport horse registry incorporated in 1926. The link for the National site is http://www.c-s-h-a.org/[/QUOTE]
This was years ago, but all the babies we broke had papers. Maybe I’m wrong with the Warmbloods registry, but they had one of the two. Again, it was quite a few years ago.
My Canadian Warmblood mare has all Oldenburgs and Holsteiners in her pedigree. Like “American Warmblood” it seems to be kind of a catch-all registry for all/most warmblood breeds. But I’m sure you could find more information on their website: http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/
Seems like an odd suggestion for a hunter. Not because there aren’t tons of nice hunters who are Canadian Warmbloods, but because it would be like saying “you should go look at the warmbloods for a hunter.” Far too general and vague without adding a particular farm or bloodline to keep an eye out for!
There is the Canadian livestock registry, the breed Cheval Canadien, and then there are breed registries: Canadian sport horse assoc., Canadian horse breeders assoc., and Canadian Warmblood horse breeders assoc.
My mare is registered with CWHBA, and I’ve had many people compliment me on what a nice example of a draft cross she is… It’s an innocent enough thing that they mistakenly think that Canadian Warmbloods are all PMU, but her sire is KWPN and her dam TB/Hanoverian. Inspections, pedigrees, etc do matter, but its made up of horses eligible or approved with other registries.
Unfortunately, because of so many people in the US selling their mutt, unknown breeding and draft crosses as “American Warmbloods”, people assume it’s the same deal for “Canadian Warmbloods”.
Thanks for information. I was thinking about the American Warmblood (draft x) thing and wondered if Canadian Warmblood was similar.
Also- what is a Cheval Canadien?
My Canadian WB is 1/2 Popeye K (whatever ‘breed’ he is)
and 1/2 Trakhener
He was registered by his breeder, so I did not/do not know of any rules of the registry. But, from what I can tell, the only requirement for being a Canadian WB is to have been born in Canada.
He certainly doesn’t have any draft horse in him.
Three versions:
canadian Sport Horse, which at one time was called the Canadian Hunter. Lots of TB, WB, and yes, some draft in some horses. My mare is SWB/TB but has CSHA papers. I can see how one of the nicer PMUs can end up in here. Draft blood is not uncommon, even now. I have a friend with a 1/4 perch, 3/4 TB mare. Both the sire and damsire were GP horses.
Canadian Warmblood is, as others have said, a true warmblood registry. theyre pickier than Old/NA when it comes to approvals in the pedigree - stallions must be approved either CWBA or another WB registery, or TB.
Cheval Canadien is something else entirely. Small, sturdy light draft types. Not uncommon in dressage and eventing these days, and are not unlike old school Morgans (and may have contributed to the development of the Morgan). Descendants of the original horses brought from France to Quebec to help farm the land, I believe the breed was revitalized in the 20th century with infusions of perch and Morgan blood.
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My Canadian WB is 1/2 Popeye K (whatever ‘breed’ he is)
and 1/2 Trakhener
He was registered by his breeder, so I did not/do not know of any rules of the registry. But, from what I can tell, the only requirement for being a Canadian WB is to have been born in Canada.
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i believe Popeyes K is KWPN… And there is a lot more needed than “being born in Canada”.
ETa… I was wrong about Popeyes K… He’s by Voltaire out of a Hol/Dutch mare…
Ravine Ranch (PMU) in Manitoba has draft x reg with CSH. A friend of mine has a 7 or 8 year old gelding of their breeding. He is 3/4 TB 1/4 Perch and I am sure his dam is also reg and she would be 1/2 Perch. Funny how drafties keep showing up in Canadian breeding…
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Ravine Ranch (PMU) in Manitoba has draft x reg with CSH. A friend of mine has a 7 or 8 year old gelding of their breeding. He is 3/4 TB 1/4 Perch and I am sure his dam is also reg and she would be 1/2 Perch. Funny how drafties keep showing up in Canadian breeding…[/QUOTE]
CSH and Canadian Warmbloods are two different things. It’s comparing apples to oranges - think Irish Sport Horse and Irish Draught. Same country, different registry with different requirements and standards.
Actually the Irish Sport Horse and the Irish Draught are exactly the same breed of animal. The CSH and the Canadian Warmblood are different in that the Can. Warmblood Association ONLY allows those horses with parentage of 100% “warmblood” breeding. The CSH is not exclusive to only warmblood parentage but you will find that probably 95% of the CSH’s in fact do carry warmblood bloodlines. Some in fact are 100% warmblood by pedigree for many generations back. Both Assocation’s goals are to produce animals for the Olympic disciplines (while the CSH has its history based in producing hunters as well) and both are members of the World Breeding Federation for Sport Horses.
The best definition I have read of a warmblood horse is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warmblood
007 what I was trying to say is that the CSH still has draftblood even today. I have a CWB with a big ole “unknown” on his papers. I would bet the farm it is a grade draftie of some sort. The surrounding names are definitley not WB. Re PMU foals being reg as CWB it is quite possible. a few years back. A few CWB breeders leased their mares out to PMU ranches for the winter. The resulting foals could be NAERIC reg ( in this care chipped) and reg CWB. Qhs, paints, and drafties also carried dual citizenship.
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Actually the Irish Sport Horse and the Irish Draught are exactly the same breed of animal [/QUOTE]
That’s a really odd thing to say. The Irish Sport Horse is a cross breed - ID and TB or WB. Purebred Irish Draughts are just that, Irish Draughts.
Irish Draught vs Irish Draught Sport Horses. It appears the names are indeed interchangable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Draught
Not at all.
Irish Draught Sport Horse
The ID folks distinguish an “RID” (Reigstered Irish Draught), which is a fullbred ID and a breed, per se, from the crosses, which are labelled “Irish Sport Horse” or “Irish Draught Sport Horse” – according to them the former does not necessarily have ID in it, so that is my mistake. But in any event anything labelled “Sport Horse” is NOT a purebred ID.
They’re picky about it. I once had a lovely huge Irish horse who did NOT have papers and despite the fact that he was clearly at least part ID and imported from Ireland, and thus at least an Irish Sport Horse, I could never have claimed that he was RID.
The wikipedia article you linked to actually says
“The Irish Draught horse is the national horse breed of Ireland which developed primarily for farm use. Today, they are especially popular for crossing with Thoroughbreds and warmbloods, producing the popular Irish Sport Horses (also called Irish Draught Sport Horses) which excel at the highest levels of eventing and show jumping.”
My pmu baby is half tb half perch, and is registered as a Canadian Sport Horse
