Canter to trot transitions in gaited horse

I’m still working with my OTSTB. He reliably picks up canter, correct leads. We’re working on him keeping the canter longer, but I now want to organize my down transitions more. I have just been happy to get canter, that when he loses the three beat, I calmly come to walk as soon as possible. He always comes down through a pace (paced on the track).

I don’t want to stress him out, so looking for advice/ideas on how to really ask for trot from canter. I’m thinking shoulder fore to keep the diagonals - if he really straightens, pace is easier. I want to think about when in the stride to give my aids for trot - not just pulling him down but half half then ride him into trot. But any advice appreciated! He really forces me to think!

A couple of ideas.

  1. if you have access to a small arena or round pen, I would start from the ground on the lunge line, using voice commands.

If you are not comfortable lunging or it is not practical, then you can disregard.

  1. I would try walk to canter instead.
    Tradition says that you teach trot to canter, but in my own experience, it is more instinctual for both horse and rider to go from walk to canter.
    Since you wait for the down of the post to ask for the canter anyway, you may as well just walk.

I’m not the most coordinated person in the world, so I had a hard time with the timing of the aids for canter depart.
My horse would just trot faster.
So I tried it from a walk and he got it the first time.

Again my experience nothing set in stone.
Using shoulder fore is a good idea .
Hope this helps

Sorry, maybe post isn’t clear, but looking for how to get trot from canter in the down transition. After literally years of work, he went from walk and pace only, with maybe variations on pace like a stepping gait, to walk, trot, and canter. He reliably does clean walk-trot-walk transitions - only pacing when tense. And he’s good about getting canter from either walk or trot.

His current issues are maintaining canter longer, and the canter to trot transition, or really, any down transition from canter where he doesn’t pace in the down transition. I’ve gotten canter to trot once in a blue moon and praise him mightily, without scaring him, lol. But I don’t have real control over ensuring he doesn’t pace coming out of canter…

Interesting. What happens if you canter on a 20m circle, then push the haunches out on the open part of the circle, as you half halt and transition to trot? As soon as you feel him hit trot, post and straighten and go forward.

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my canter departs are from the walk and transitions down are into a walk.

as an aside: And…to prep for a couple of great canter departs, later on in our session, what i do several times early in our session is halt, back step two steps and forward. Just to get her rocking back and thinking about putting her energy onto her rear… (I think of it as doing squats in aerobics.)

edit: I forgot the pace/standardbred part. I am training a standie right now. He is not even trotting with me aboard yet, so canter is months away. BUT…in pasture i see him transition down by going from fullout gallop through a pace. The ONLY thing that seems to bust him into an actual trot is a turn. And i’m thinking that when i finally am riding him through gaits, what i’m going to need to do is set him from a canter into a turn or spiral. Pace only works well on the straightaway, or large curve… a tight turn is too unbalanced for a lateral…Or so it seems to me from observation (all the herd on a mad dash around pastures). That’s my plan in advance that i can share with you. If you try it …(meaning take that canter into a spiral then transition down to a trot on the 10m-ish part) let me know if it works. Also, i would move up in the spiral too, just to be fair and to give him an idea of the geometry and the safe-ness and the way out of your ask (hope that makes sense…lol. I know what i mean LOL)

You are on the right track in understanding that he 100% needs a stiffened middle in order to pace.

Softness in his ribs and lateral mobility in his hips and shoulders and getting that super duper reliable in the canter will reap benefits in the future for the canter to trot transition. I say that because I am not hearing that he’s developed a really nice canter. Not yet :slight_smile:

How adjustable is he in being flexible IN the canter right now?

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yes, stiffness in ribs needed basically because: Gravity.

This a great suggestion for a young horse, green broke horse, an unbalanced horse, or non-gaited horse. For gaited horses this won’t work. OP is dealing with a specific issue (canter-to-pace instead of canter-to-trot) which is very common in pacing breeds.

OTTSTBs tend to gait or pace when they feel tension and unbalance, and in my experience with gaited breeds the smaller the space you work them, the more likely they are to pace. The more unbalanced they are, the more likely they are to pace… and the more you worry about their head or bodies, the more they are likely to pace. 90% of retraining the OTTSTB isn’t even training it to canter. It’s teaching it that it’s okay to canter in work instead of pace. They are specifically trained to hold their pace or their trot. Now, you are teaching them the opposite of everything they’ve learned for the last 3-10 years, that the inverse is true and you want them to canter and not pace.

To the OP, my question would be, when this horse is romping in the field does he break from a canter to a trot, or a canter to pace? If it is the former, you can work with it – if it is the latter, this may be like pushing stones uphill for you and it may be easier to train the horse to break from a pace to a trot for now.

How are you “resetting” him, when he starts pacing? Do you go back to a walk, or have you installed a clear “cue” to swap from pacing to trot yet? I can’t speak for all STBs and their trainers, but have you ever seen an STB warm up before they work on the track? They usually trot a few laps, then the driver cues them to pace and the real work begins. So most have the cue already installed, but it is for driving, not for riding. You have to teach them the cue is for riding too.

With my OTTSB (pacer), he will come down into a pace from a canter if the former canter is unbalanced, he is too tense, or he is too fast. The canter has to be that Goldilocks canter of “just right” for his downward transition to be just right, too.

I’ve found a good exercise for him is to start trotting the long side at a forward medium trot, with the short sides of the ring being reserved for “spongy”, “softer” trot – think “passage” in your seat, but carry the momentum forward. Once he is reliably rebalancing himself on the short side before you ask, that’s when you introduce cantering. I ask for canter in the first half of the short side from that “spongey” trot, canter down the long side and circle at B (or E), then carry the canter to the opposite corner and ask for trot. This is very similar to the old eventing Beg Novice test A, for a good framework.

The one good thing about OTTSBs is they are incredibly clever and want to work as a rule. However, I’ve found STBs to be the most literal horses I’ve ever met. What they learned driving, doesn’t always translate to what they know undersaddle. With some of them you literally see the light go off in their eyes when they realize you’re just reframing what they already know.

Work on installing a clear cue to drop the pace. Keep the praises lavish and for now, keep the canter-to-trot reserved to a very specific part of the arena, and when they answer what you want, they get praise and a good walk break away from that side of the ring. After a while, once the trot is established, you can work on the elasticity of that trot post-canter which will really strengthen him and make it easier for him going forward.

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thanks @beowulf , i bookmarked your comment!

Maybe I need more coffee… say what now?

Sorry. I saw the title but the post suggested otherwise.

Transitions within the gait and from gait to gait.
But not a whole lot.
It is tempting when you get the result you want to try it again and again.
But it is much better in the long run to stop and go to something else when the horse does what you ask.

Transitions downward are tricky because the rider tends to think “Slower”.

However, all gaits are forward in dressage.
The transition downward from canter to trot is still forward .

The aid for trot is the same aid whether it is an upward or downward transitition
It gets tricky because you and the horse are moving so much faster!

And although, the voice is not allowed to be an aid in dressage competitions , you can certainly use it when schooling at home.

It may be helpful to study the intro c and training level dressage tests.

  1. Read the directives . They can be helpful in giving you ideas about schooling.
  2. While you wouldnt and shouldn’t perform an entire test every time you ride, you can pick out a particular portion of a test and use that as a guideline for schooling that day

Hope this helps.

Good point Beowolf.
I also wanted to say that there are some older threads about training standardbreds .

I’m hopeless on searches but I bet another COTH will help you out.

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I would work on asking for a downward transition BEFORE the horse loses the three beat. Once four-beating, it’s natural to go into a pace.

I’d work on trying for that round three-beat canter with a lifted back, and ask for a downward transition through a trot with the back still lifted and the horse still in three-beat canter – for a very short distance when starting. Let’s say horse does three strides of good canter, I’d already ask for a downward transition through trot. I wouldn’t wait until he’s already lost it. When the horse tenses and the back drops, and the canter has degraded to four beats, presto, pace, which is unwanted.

IMO, it’s about strength and understanding on the horse’s part, plus awareness and timing on the rider’s part. I’d work on increasing the horse’s strength, and immediately reward the tiniest bit of improvement with a break (rather than think “this is great, let’s keep going”). After doing very short bursts of correct canter, with successful downward transitions, I’d gradually lengthen the distance/time in canter. This is tiring work for such a horse, so I wouldn’t overdo it in any single session.

If he manages to go into a four-beat before I’ve managed this, I’d identify the split second signals given by the horse before losing the “good” canter, so I could ask for trot before then. IME, they telegraph this is coming, even if only for a moment, and part of my job is not letting it get to the point of falling apart, if at all possible.

My credentials are that I have several decades of experience with training other breeds of gaited horses – lots of practice with this type of issue. Best wishes with your guy.

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Great post .

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Thank you! Lots of things to digest! He’s the first gaited horse I’ve worked. He does tend to come to pace out of canter at liberty, to Beowulf’s point.

I got him as a companion/possible gaited trail husband horse, but when another horse retired early, and seeing him offer trot and canter at liberty, opted to play with him. I definitely don’t drill - I probably should ask for more, but I’d rather go slow than screw him up. He tries pretty hard, and it forces me to pay attention and think about everything. I may be horse shopping in spring as my other horse is showing her age more, but I’ll keep playing with this guy and see what he can do without undue stress. Enough stress to improve, but not make life miserable:).

I’ll report back on progress!!!

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