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It sure would be nice if they would say literally anything about how or where these horses are bred. There are two horses in the 4* produced by the same US breeder (8 of the original 30 were bred in the US!), one’s a full sibling to a 5* horse, one’s dam has produced two other 5* horses, the leader of the 2* is out of a full sister to FischerRocana, on and on and on…
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Working perfectly here. On the app and now on tv.
Anyone know why they fairly consistently mark a MR as a RF? Jules Ennis & horse fell that the water but it’s recorded as a RF and I see this a fair amount.
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Clearly this is allowed because it happened, but since when is it okay to enter an FEI, compete the dressage, then withdraw and compete in the horse trial division? Seems like it shouldn’t be allowed after you have started. I am however all for changing divisions or dropping down before you start competing.
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I think while live scoring, they list all falls initially as RFs, then update them later. Maybe the TD has to verify that it was a horse fall over a ride fall first.
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Right, because you blew the dressage royally so you just switch divisions? Poor sport.
You can lead them to water….
I think withdrawing after an uncharacteristically bad dressage test is good horsemanship. Save their legs. And I also think if I had the opportunity to re-enter my horse in a different division I probably would too if I had the money for it.
I don’t think of it as bad sportsmanship because I don’t see the harm. To my knowledge, there’s no prize money at stake. I think she’s done right by the horse and if it furthers the horses training/confidence to re-enter and give it another go then more power to them.
EDIT: I am curious though, if there’s some context I’m missing as a non-eventer. If anyone wants to explain to me what’s bad about this I’m all ears.
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The riders who are riding “at” that level are now unlikely to be competitive against the horse who is stepping down a good bit. It is not only about winning money or not. Unless it’s a close equivalent that they are switching to…which in retrospect, she was.
I don’t know who we’re talking about, fwiw.(ETA: Now I know. She’s gutsy and that’s not news). The horse had a good weekend and all is well.
I believe that if the horse falls as well as the rider it is a MR, if just the rider falls without the horse going down it’s a RF. I could be mistaken.
I won’t out the rider if no one else has, but the rider I think we’re talking about dropped from the same level in the international class to the national class. I don’t really view that as stepping down as much as stepping… across
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Was it to save their legs though, isn’t the track the same? It seems more like because the chance of an MER was lost there was a scratch to the National division.
I mean we may never know, although I think the rider in question is far more open about everything on social media than most event riders, so maybe we will.
Also… If they swapped to a new class and still got the MER I don’t see how that’s any different than getting an MER at the next horse trial. They still got it.
I’m not knocking you for your opinion, I just really don’t think it’s a big deal even if the motivation was to get an MER.
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I know. That’s my point! I saw the horse fall…
Gotcha, Dom’s originally said RF but now it says MR as they did both fall in the water. Editing to add that Jules Ennis is now listed as a MR.
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I just view it as a bit of unfair advantage. She got to do a dressage test as a practice that the other competitors in the now national division didn’t get to. Any other time you could just chalk it up to a bad day, not get a redo at the same show
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She probably did that ( I know who the rider your referring to) because any dressage scored above a 45 is no longer a QR so save the horse and the organizers were nice enough to let her move to the National levels. Carolina international is a tough course. It’s up to most shows organizers to allow the move from international to national. I’ve seen many riders do it over the years, Especially if the international is no longer going to be QR for a long format. It’s almost $1000 for an FEI event, so, yes, it is fantastic of the organizers to move to a national division over not having a QR in the fei. If that were you, and you just spent $1000k for a show that is no longer qualifying- you would want to be able to recoup some of that $1000k by moving to a national division.
It’s the riders decision, she could have chosen to continue in the fei even though it doesn’t qualify and is a big course and big run into he horses legs. I would have moved to the national horse trial as well. The course isn’t as tough, the course isn’t as long. Give the horse a better outing instead of just running it. Smart rider.
Someone mentioned she gets extra practice- it’s a different dressage test in a different ring. So no- not extra practice.
Edited to add- yes, a national ht is a MER for a short format FEI. A short format FEI is an MER for a long format FEI.
As to not allowing people to withdraw, that is a stupid comment. Just so spectators can know
for sure who is competing. 
it’s the riders decision. Maybe the horse doesn’t feel Right to run xc. Maybe the course is more than what was expected when they entered. Maybe the horse/ rider is getting practice for the dressage and sj in a big atmosphere to prep for a big event and the horse doesn’t need the run xc. Most of these decisions are to save the horse.
Every rider has the right to decide whether they run on not. To say they “must” run is asinine and you must not have ever competed at the upper levels.
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That’s actually a fair point I didn’t consider.
It doesn’t really change my opinion because it’s a different test for FEI vs National and I believe the riders are able to do ring familiarization, but I do think it’s probably a different feel when the cameras/spectators/announcers are all there.
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