Carolina!

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@TXnGA

It’s up to most shows organizers to allow the move from international to national. I’ve seen many riders do it over the years, Especially if the international is no longer going to be QR for a long format.

I’m either way out of the loop, an idiot or both, but I had no idea you could actually start OVER in a new division once you’d completed at least one phase of the competition. I saw her poor dressage score yesterday and then that she’d withdrawn. I was shocked when I saw her then pop back up in the national division with a much improved score and could not figure out for the life of me how how she’d swung that.

[TXnGA]

It’s not common but not uncommon, especially if the horse trial is offering an FEI and ht. Usually the FEI will start competition first, and the horse trials start a day or two later, so technically, it’s a different competition.

It really is very generous and awesome when organizers do allow this. And I should mention that permission has to be granted by the FEI ground jury first.

[AMWookey]

Happened last year too. Someone had an uncharacteristically bad dressage, moved over to the advanced. Had a more educational weekend that way IMHO.

[msghook]

EV104.4 At FEI Competitions running concurrently with a National
Competition, if a horse is eliminated in the Dressage test for reasons unrelated to horse welfare, the National
Ground Jury of the Competition, in consultation with the Technical Delegate and the Organizing Committee,
may at their discretion, allow the horse to compete in a National Competition at the same height level or
below. That is the pertinent rule and if the rider actually had a score for the FEI test, then the rider was not eligible, under this rule, to move to the National competition.

[alyssaequestrian]

My other thought was it just looks a bit questionable to have such a poor dressage test then continue the competition elsewhere. And that drug rules are more lenient in national level competitions.

But I also wouldn’t do my first intermediate run on a new horse at the 3* at a show like Carolina

[Jealoushe]

Never said it was a big deal

Wasn’t the National course basically the same as the FEI for that division?

[tnf007]

So how is it that she now has a MER at that level with a qualifying score and a top placing (with accompanying points) showing on the results? Is that grounds for disqualification from the entire competition and then re-placing that division?

In addition to the rule in EV, isn’t there an identical FEI rule about not moving to national competition after you have started in an FEI division? Seems like a pretty big miss there - to have been OKd by PTB at the event?

[BraveSC]

If the horses shoulders touch the ground in a fall, it is an MR.

[Sheasmom2]

That’s a nasty insinuation.

[Marigold]

@MsRidiculous

one’s a full sibling to a 5* horse, one’s dam has produced two other 5* horses

Will you tell us who these ones are if they won’t?? I agree that the breeding information is so key, and very frustrating when it’s missing.

@alyssaequestrian

Clearly this is allowed because it happened, but since when is it okay to enter an FEI, compete the dressage, then withdraw and compete in the horse trial division?

I dunno. I don’t really see what the problem is with this. No different than withdrawing after dressage and then entering a national the next weekend, with the added benefit that you get to take the same horse back into the same/similar ring and reassure them that no, actually, there are not horse-eating dragons in here (or reinforce that no, actually, you must behave in here). To address @alyssaequestrian’s point, I don’t think getting the “practice test” is much of an unfair advantage, as most of these big shows allow ring familiarization. If the show is scheduled to allow this logistically, it creates a schooling opportunity to correct an issue and the horse leaves better for it. Any situation that results in that outcome is one I’m all for. I agree with @luckycricket123 on this one.