Apparently RPSI should accept Cassini II as otherwise they would not have approved his son and made him Champion of the grading in 2002, I would think.
BWP will register offspring of Holsteiner Verband stallions out of BWP approved mares.
There is an outside stallion fee, but it is a great option.
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Well, I can tell you that OLD NA/ISR will NOT accept him. It really was frustrating, as they have an inspection close to me, the mare is already approved with them etc. They told me that his 100 day test scores were not high enough for me to get a single use breeding permit for him. Frustrating.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the craziest things I’ve ever heard of ! Not accepting what could and probably will be one of the best stallions in the world due to a low test score ? His father , Capitol I , barely passed as well.
Someone over at OLD NA / ISR should be rethinking their rules. I’ve seen some of the worst horses in my life entered into their books and they won’t let their breeders use Cassini II ? What a joke !
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This is one of the craziest things I’ve ever heard of ! Not accepting what could and probably will be one of the best stallions in the world due to a low test score ? His father , Capitol I , barely passed as well.
Someone over at OLD NA / ISR should be rethinking their rules. I’ve seen some of the worst horses in my life entered into their books and they won’t let their breeders use Cassini II ? What a joke ![/QUOTE]
Hey, you’re preaching to the choir in this situation! The exact quote was “he isn’t of sufficient quality for our registry”. When I asked why, they said his 100 day test scores were too low. I was told that I could “petition” the breeding committee and they might make an exception, but honestly that was too much trouble in this case. I thought it was laughable, in retrospect and I will just use him through another registry!
Zangersheide will register Cassini II offspring if the mother is registered with a WBFSH recognized registry.
I have a beautiful 2008 Cassini II/Latano II/Caletto II filly that really surprised me a couple of days ago. I was trying to get video of my babies and had blocked half our ring off with standards and rails so I could contain the four babies to get better pictures. My Campesino/Ramiro filly is the leader of the pack. She decided to go through the barricade…knocked it down. The Cassini II filly followed… only she rocked back and jumped to the other side! Tucked her front legs and over she went. It was quite amazing… unfortunately, I’m one of the world’s worst photographers and didn’t get any of it on film… I mean zero footage… I was pushing the wrong button! :o
I THINK Westfalen would register his foals, but I can’t swear to that. My understanding is that if the mare is approved Westfalen and the stallion is registered by a recognized stud book then the offspring are registerable Westfalen. You would have to contact the Westfalen registry to find out for sure.
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Hey, you’re preaching to the choir in this situation! The exact quote was “he isn’t of sufficient quality for our registry”. When I asked why, they said his 100 day test scores were too low. I was told that I could “petition” the breeding committee and they might make an exception, but honestly that was too much trouble in this case. I thought it was laughable, in retrospect and I will just use him through another registry![/QUOTE]
Once again I’m appalled at this kind of language ! He isn’t of “sufficient quality” for their registry when they accept Appaloosa crosses and every other horse they can find.
After this example…it really sounds as if they need to be educated to what’s going on in the world of sporthorse breeding. Cassini II bred 420 mares last year across several EU registries and that sum was more than any other stallion in Europe. I can’t believe they would deny their breeders these invaluable genetics. ROTFL !
Well now,
You (generic “you” here) cannot be supporting a registry that is tough and that impose strict guidelines as to what stallions (or mares) get to be “approved” or not and then be upset when an “untested” or “poorly tested” stallion fails to make the grade.
I don’t think anyone would suggest that just being the brother (and a more fertile brother at that) then a great performing athlete and sire should get you inthe record book of every stud book-right? Full siblings are different and will pass on different combination of the same genetic material.
There is something to be said however for the system of registry that is the most prevalent: ones that stress performance and scores of the stallion over the quality of its offsprings.
I’m sure Galoubet gave fits to many registries, him being out of a -gasp!- trotter mare but dang!! could his sons jump and produce…
Cassini II might prove to be in the same category: proven and approved by the quality of his offspring and not strictly on his own performance.
I’m sure that some stallions out there are tested up the ying yang, have great scores and produce average foals while others were injured and yet seem to pass on amazing foals…Farrington anyone?
I’m not surprise that Cassini II is not accepted by all stud book-it would be a contradictions of so many of the basis for stallion selection . As his progeny gets results I’m sure that will change (well should change!) but until then even if 420 mares were bred that doesn’t impress me so much-what his babies are doing: now that is what got me looking and asking about registration possibilities for my foal.
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Well now,
You (generic “you” here) cannot be supporting a registry that is tough and that impose strict guidelines as to what stallions (or mares) get to be “approved” or not and then be upset when an “untested” or “poorly tested” stallion fails to make the grade.
I don’t think anyone would suggest that just being the brother (and a more fertile brother at that) then a great performing athlete and sire should get you inthe record book of every stud book-right? Full siblings are different and will pass on different combination of the same genetic material.
There is something to be said however for the system of registry that is the most prevalent: ones that stress performance and scores of the stallion over the quality of its offsprings.
I’m sure Galoubet gave fits to many registries, him being out of a -gasp!- trotter mare but dang!! could his sons jump and produce…
Cassini II might prove to be in the same category: proven and approved by the quality of his offspring and not strictly on his own performance.
I’m sure that some stallions out there are tested up the ying yang, have great scores and produce average foals while others were injured and yet seem to pass on amazing foals…Farrington anyone?
I’m not surprise that Cassini II is not accepted by all stud book-it would be a contradictions of so many of the basis for stallion selection . As his progeny gets results I’m sure that will change (well should change!) but until then even if 420 mares were bred that doesn’t impress me so much-what his babies are doing: now that is what got me looking and asking about registration possibilities for my foal.[/QUOTE]
This is what I mean…the Old NA/ISR book has not been paying attention. It goes well beyond breeding 420 mares. Cassini II has already produced champion foals , HSP mares , highest selling auction horses , several approved stallion sons already and a few offspring that are competing at international level. As the offspring get more age on them , it is forecasted that you will see MANY of his babies at the top of the sport. Maybe while Cassini II is continuing to produce like this for years to come…the OLD NA / ISR book will continue to deny his approval while allowing in Appaloosa blood instead ! With breeding policies like this , no wonder the book is not respected by many regarding it’s quality .
For those who have bred to him, what has he improved on in your mares? How does he compare conformationally to Indoctro…also Capitol x Caletto II. Can anyone comment on the finished sizes of the Cassini II babies? When I looked at using Indoctro last year, one of my concerns was that the offspring size ranged from very little to very big. The mare I’m thinking of using one of them on is 15.3/16 and I don’t want to get a munchkin. How’s the neckset and legs on the Cassini II’s?
MS Cassini Boy b.4/15/2012 Cassini II Colt!
http://www.munysunkstables.com/2012-Cassini.html
MS Cassini Boy was born at 3:40 am on April 15, 2012. He is a very sturdy, big boned foal and is already showing very correct conformation and a docile, loving attitude. Sire, Cassini II - full brother to Cassini I, tragically passed away in 2011 but will remain one of the most sought after breeding lines in show jumping history. Due to an injury early on in his career, he was unable to compete like his brother but was known as the better producer out of the two. Both Cassini’s stamp their foals with their scope and powerful, flowing gaits, often seen in the hunter ring.
The dam, Offspring, competed in the jumper ring successfully with an amateur before retiring to a breeding career. Offspring produced a filly in 2010 by Cassini II, who is currently being shown in the hunter breeding division with multiple wins under her belt already.
