Catherine Haddad's latest editorial

I just read CHS’s last comment posted directly to the COTH blog. She went a long way to clarify the intent of the blog, and was almost apologetic for her tone.

What she did not do was to acknowledge the economic and geographic reasons for why riders show up at her clinics who aren’t capable of learning her techniques at the advanced levels. We can all wish that it were otherwise, but it is what it is, and b*tching about it, particularly in such a haughty tone, really doesn’t help.

I am happy to see that she at least on some level seems to understand that the tone of her blog was in bad form. Although being controversial can be a wonderful thing to stimulate discussion, being offensive just turns people off.

Some are still grasping to understand what she wrote. It’s not about the riders it is more about their trainers. Why are their trainers not teaching the very basics of riding. Look at our most recent team, two out of the 4 are from Europe and were trained in Europe. If Catherine only cared about herself and not U.S. dressage she would say nothing. She could go along riding and training her horses to that level take your money and live a great life. Instead she gets frustrated that there is no real cohesiveness to dressage in the U.S. Try stepping back and saying wow has anyone shown that level of frustration for little old me AA. If you’d bother to go back and read her blog you will see she’s apologized for coming across to harsh and explained even more her thoughts.

I realize some people are just miserable and want to complain. We need more individual self awareness in this country.

I want your job I wish I had the time to spend on these nasty boards

Yes, clearly you are above all that.:lol::lol::lol:

[QUOTE=Crockpot;7104956]
Yes, clearly you are above all that.:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]

Yes my friend 7289 posts to my 27 I’d say I was:winkgrin::lol::lol::lol:

Yes my friend 7289 posts to my 27 I’d say I was

Well - that’s only with your new name.:winkgrin:

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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[QUOTE=Spiritwalker;7104946]
Some are still grasping to understand what she wrote. It’s not about the riders it is more about their trainers. Why are their trainers not teaching the very basics of riding. Look at our most recent team, two out of the 4 are from Europe and were trained in Europe. If Catherine only cared about herself and not U.S. dressage she would say nothing. She could go along riding and training her horses to that level take your money and live a great life. Instead she gets frustrated that there is no real cohesiveness to dressage in the U.S. Try stepping back and saying wow has anyone shown that level of frustration for little old me AA. If you’d bother to go back and read her blog you will see she’s apologized for coming across to harsh and explained even more her thoughts.

I realize some people are just miserable and want to complain. We need more individual self awareness in this country.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone considered the idea that maybe some of these AAs who are showing up so egregiously unprepared are not dedicatedly taking 2 lessons a week?

Generally, the people who exponentially suck are the ones who barely ever lesson. Several people in our area, for example, show up to clinics when a particular clinician comes twice a year but otherwise NEVER lesson. After the clinic they INVARIABLY moan, “Whatever are we going to doooooo until the clinician comes back,” standing right next to the local pro who also clinicked and could certainly teach them a solid foundation.

First figure out if the least prepared riders even USE a local trainer before bitching about how the local trainers are screwing them. Before getting so righteousl frustrated on behalf of little old them, ask them if they lesson with anyone at all. If they complain here “isn’t anyone,” feel free to point out the local pro sitting right there who also attended, rather than writing a blog about how that pro, who has never met this sh*tty rider, is at fault and needs to learn how to ride and should stop ruining dressage in this country.

By the way- Some of our top US riders are doing quite well at Hickstead.

Cheers to them!

http://www.dressage-news.com/?p=22545

I hope people will also consider them when looking for clinicians.

PS I get a huge chuckle whenever I open Coth forums and see the last title from offmeds day.

Embrace the day and try not to let the words of others get you down!

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[QUOTE=Crockpot;7104959]
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama[/QUOTE]

Of course I may be wrong, not knowing the guy personally, but somehow I don’t think the Dalai Lama was expressing concern for the plight of the lower level AA’s access to good dressage clinicians when he said that.

Of course I may be wrong, not knowing the guy personally, but somehow I don’t think the Dalai Lama was expressing concern for the plight of the lower level AA’s access to good dressage clinicians when he said that.

haha , no ,still laughing here- that was spiritwalker’s sig line from her previous username.

Rather than outing her, just wanted to address her statement that she is a new poster with only 27 posts because she is above all that - and that is her base for attacking others. lol

[QUOTE=Spiritwalker;7104946]
Some are still grasping to understand what she wrote. It’s not about the riders it is more about their trainers. Why are their trainers not teaching the very basics of riding. Look at our most recent team, two out of the 4 are from Europe and were trained in Europe. If Catherine only cared about herself and not U.S. dressage she would say nothing. She could go along riding and training her horses to that level take your money and live a great life. Instead she gets frustrated that there is no real cohesiveness to dressage in the U.S. Try stepping back and saying wow has anyone shown that level of frustration for little old me AA. If you’d bother to go back and read her blog you will see she’s apologized for coming across to harsh and explained even more her thoughts.

I realize some people are just miserable and want to complain. We need more individual self awareness in this country.[/QUOTE]

Still yapping I see.

People are grasping the article just fine. In the US anyone can hang out their shingle and call themselves a trainer. Apparently it’s the American way. If Haddad is so concerned with the state of dressage in the US she’d be FINE with teaching the basics. That’s why I brought up the example of Peter Kjellerup. Would she be able to do what he did I wonder? He hopped on my horse himself and then explained what he did very clearly. Really excellent training and instruction that is beyond the scope of a lot of American trainers, sadly. But if she’s not willing to teach such things she’s not very useful IMO.

Seeing a horse that is truly on the bit and going correctly is almost liking seeing a ghost. Yes, I’m exaggerating but it is uncommon. All the way up to Olympic and WEG level. If she wants to teach she needs to be part of the solution – even if it’s just pointing out that someone’s equipment doesn’t fit, when no one else informed the student of that fact.

Otherwise she’s just complaining.

[QUOTE=Eclectic Horseman;7104943]
Although being controversial can be a wonderful thing to stimulate discussion, being offensive just turns people off.[/QUOTE]

Among the many good points made on this thread, this one really stands out. I thought she made some good points in the article, and I suspect there are many 2nd tier BNTs who are also a bit frustrated at the lack of skills/riding ability they encounter at their clinics, and who wonder why these people’s instructors haven’t taught them better.

And I think her comments weren’t so much about beginners, but rather about people who have been riding “for years” (as she said), but can’t execute basic skills such as riding their horse from back to front, putting their horse on the bit, keeping a soft, consistent, elastic contact, posting the trot without balancing on the reins, turning without hauling on the inside rein, sitting the trot, keeping their horse in front of their leg, keeping their spur out the horse’s side except when needed, etc.

I suspect there are people like this in almost every riding program around the country - and yes, I am one who struggles with all the above. But I would never consider trying to ride in a clinic because I am very aware it would be a waste of my time and money, a waste of the clinician’s time, and would frankly be an embarrassment to myself and my instructor (who is patiently working to bring me back after being away from riding for several years and several strokes).

And I will add that it isn’t always the instructor’s fault. As others have mentioned, instructors are just trying to make ends meet, and until they are so in demand that their barn is overflowing with good horses/good riders, they have to work with the students they have. Sometimes the instructors are good - but they just cannot make much progress with some riders. As an example, I am reminded of a gal I used to ride with at a different barn and with a different trainer. Said lady had been riding for many, many years, she was very slender and fit - ran every day, etc., but she absolutely could not keep her horse on the bit, she could not keep her legs underneath her (they were always halfway back to the horse’s rump, with her heel halfway up his sides), could not keep her spur off of him (jabbed him with every single stride), etc. She ALWAYS rode in the double bridle because there was no way in h*** she could put her horse on the bit in the snaffle, and she rode primarily off the curb rein. Luckily for her, her horse had been imported as an I-1/I-2/GP schoolmaster, and he was wonderful for that purpose - he knew all the tricks and would do them if she gave a modicum of a correct aid, but he had also learned how to put himself into a false frame so she thought he was on the bit (she honestly had no feel, and really didn’t know how the difference between a horse being in a false frame and being truly THROUGH the body). Poor saint of a horse would shuffle around the ring day after day, basically tuning out the fact that he was being gigged in the sides with every single stride, while she either hauled on the curb rein or let the contact go completely. Said lady had lessons almost every day - with a USDF Gold Medalist (and the horse looked wonderful when the trainer rode him) - but in all the years I was in that program, the lady never really improved her riding skills. She loved horses, loved riding, but she had no feel and no true understanding of what it meant to have the horse “through”, despite years of nearly daily lessons. Instructor just dealt with it - lady had two horses in training with her - and she needed the income, so they slogged it out, day after day. I felt sorry for all three of them - the trainer (who did a masterful job of keeping her frustration in check), the rider (who honestly had no clue), but most of all the horse (who had just resigned himself to it all).

I can just imagine CHS’s frustration if someone like me or the lady mentioned above rode in one of her clinics. Oh, the horror! :lol:

[QUOTE=grayandbay;7104280]
Go to Centerline Scores. Before Ms Haddad travelled to Germany , her average score in PSG was not even 60%
If the trainer she choose in Germany to work with felt the same as she does now , where would Ms Haddad be now. He took a chance on an inexperienced rider whom had the drive and determination to make herself better. Some of her points might be valid but her way of explaining them makes her look and sound as if she forgot where she came from and went thru. Just too bad she didn’t keep this opinion to herself . IMHO[/QUOTE]

This is the best post I’ve seen in the 15 pages (so far) of replies on this topic!

I think Catherine’s responses in the comment section of the blog are what she should have started off with in the first place.

She mentions that she wrote the blog as if she were talking with a friend. Well, then the tone makes sense to some extent. However, taking it anywhere beyond that is going to make waves and not necessarily the good kind.

There are things I’d like to change about my industry too. However, if I used the tone of Catherine’s original article, I’d alienate a lot of people. Politically there would be better ways to work on the same stuff.

I think Catherine’s responses in the comment section of the blog are what she should have started off with in the first place.

never good to bite the hand that feeds you. Maybe she realized that belatedly. I wonder what the participants in the recent clinic are thinking now? Will they have her back or will they ask Lisa Wilcox, lendon gray, steffen peters, etc etc…

[QUOTE=Crockpot;7104976]
haha , no ,still laughing here- that was spiritwalker’s sig line from her previous username.l[/QUOTE]

Oh, good. Glad to hear I brought some levity to this thread.

[QUOTE=Crockpot;7104976]
haha , no ,still laughing here- that was spiritwalker’s sig line from her previous username.

Rather than outing her, just wanted to address her statement that she is a new poster with only 27 posts because she is above all that - and that is her base for attacking others. lol[/QUOTE]

Wrong oh my friend…Sucks to be wrong all the time:) nice try

@crockpot: I totally agree with your comments.

One she has a client base that is as well established as the others you’ve mentioned, then maybe she can begin speaking out in the blunt way she did. Until then, her way of presenting things might cause her to alienate some folks.

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;7104841]
I read parts of the blog post to a non horse person and here is what they said:

"She sounds like a frustrated and crazed woman. I can see her point, but it’s partly her fault for not stating a minimum level of rider. If she doesn’t want to teach beginners than she should just say so."[/QUOTE]

LOL I had asked DH to read the blog and he didn’t come to such an extreme conclusion. When for fun I showed him your post he said “Well, there’s a certain diva aspect”… The non horse person who read the blog picked up on that attitude but didn’t automatically take it into account the way many on this board would.

There’s a reason DQ doesn’t stand for Dairy Queen.

Quote from blog: “I am finished with all existing clinic commitments in September. October and November are wide open. Wide open”

I’m confuzzled. Does this first statement mean that she has canceled Sept clinics? If so, way to go to reveal that inner Diva! And as to the second statement, that’s just kind of sad, really.

Has CHS ever actually ridden on a US team? Or just as an individual?

[QUOTEQuote from blog: “I am finished with all existing clinic commitments in September. October and November are wide open. Wide open”

I’m confuzzled. Does this first statement mean that she has canceled Sept clinics? If so, way to go to reveal that inner Diva! And as to the second statement, that’s just kind of sad, really.[/QUOTE]

I take it to mean she is not booked for any more clinics and thinks her blog entry will help her fill up oct nov.