Catherine Haddad's latest editorial

Originally by Suzy-“It isn’t Catherine who is guilty of being on an ego trip; it is the less skilled or novice riders who sign up for her clinic just to say they trained with her who earn this label. These people should by all means audit her clinics so that they can see very good riding and hear exceptional teaching. But they should be realistic about where they are in their own journey.”-

Tell you what Suzy. If ever I am so foolish as to organize another clinic, I will invite you to not only find the UL riders to fill it, but also guarantee that I will make enough money from said UL riders, to pay the clinician’s fee and expenses. I will waive a fee for the use of property etc, although I may have to charge for insurance.

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Tell you what Suzy. If ever I am so foolish as to organize another clinic, I will invite you to not only find the UL riders to fill it…[/QUOTE]

Please make sure Suzy is aware that the desired clientele for the “'beginners welcome, Get Connected” tour are three or so professional trainers who are each filling multiple slots on advanced mounts.

Everyone else irks her enough to write a blog about it.

So Ms. Haddad wants to pick who attends her clinics. Fine, her prerogative. Having failed to do so before taking their checks, however, she now apparently wants to stand on her soapbox and run down the folks – and their trainers – who spent their time and money hoping to get a good lesson from her. Regardless of the wisdom or propriety of the business decision she’s making, her behavior was rude and that, I suspect, is the crux of the complaints on this thread and elsewhere.

I have no quarrel with her article and opinion. She’s right on I think. I watched Arthur Kottas many years ago teach 2 days of truly AWFUL people all who were under the guidance of one particular coach. Said coach didn’t believe in half halts, prepatory or any other kind. His students thought he walked on water and bought into the whole Zen philosophy. Herr Kottas was gobsmacked I think to give an instruction to prepare in the corner with a half halt. Only to be treated to a lengthy discourse on why half halts are wrong from nearly every student. Plus none of them could answer the question as to why they were in a double bridle (I think one said “brakes”). It comes down to not a question of someone of that calibre NOT being able to teach these folks, but more a question of where do you start on a two day clinic? It’s impossible really. It’s a clinician’s perfect right to insist on a basic level of competency in order to benefit. Unless you really want to pay what amounts to $200 per word, to hear “give” “softer” Sit up" rounder"…

To show up for training with an accomplished rider before you are ready to benefit from his or her knowledge is bad form and disrespectful. I am often taken aback when clinic slots in the United States are filled with riders who can’t even put their horse on the bit.

:frowning: Damn! I know people who are afraid to clinic with certain riders because they feel like they’re too___ or not _____ enough (like too fat, or not shiny enough, or not advanced enough), and we like to encourage them to go anyway because of the experience. Well, sorry; didn’t know they were insulting the clinician.

Seriously, I’m so glad my fat, incompetent ass met cool trainers like Christine Betz who taught me a ridiculous amount over the period of a summer on a PSG shoolmaster I couldn’t even get to trot on purpose for the first few lessons. Christine, who has all her medals, was probably equally as lucky to have landed at Janna Dyer’s when she first started dressage and couldn’t get canter on one particular lead.

In my mind Ms Haddad goes on that list with Paul Belasik of people I will never ever ever ride in front of! (Mr Belasik has no fatties rule).

Gosh I hope my boy Carl Hester isn’t like that. I hope he’s able to enjoy teaching basics to slobs like me because a dream vacay for me would be going to his yard to work and get some cool lessons from him.

Paula

Paula, did you even read the blog? A lot of people on this thread are putting a spin on it that just IS NOT THERE. And, not to hurt your feelings, but Carl Hester probably wouldn’t teach you–or me. No biggie. He’s preparing Olympic level riders on top quality horses to compete at CDIs. Not only would he not have time for us, but I imagine it would be b-o-r-i-n-g for him to teach us even if he did have the time. :wink: But I’m not going to slam him or any other BNT for that. It’s life.

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If trainers are not teaching the basics appropriately then a clinic would be a good opportunity to show them how it is done and would contribute to long term advancement of the sport. Work with the lower level rider and train the trainer.

If the trainer is watching their student being taught and can see for themselves where the holes are, is that not a good use of an upper level riders time?

Besides which, if she believes she is best used for 2nd level and above types…she is going to be pretty lonely at a lot of clinics that are not in dressage hot spots…[/QUOTE]

Coming from a slightly different perspective-

CHS seems to spend a fair amount of time thinking about the state of US dressage at the international level and the overall quality of dressage riding in the US. Having lived in Germany for a significant portion of her competitive career, I can only imagine what she thinks when faced with the average AA US rider. I’ll go out on a limb and guess that less than 1/4 of the people she sees in her clinics have an indepdent seat. CHS can’t teach that in a clinic setting. At most she can gloss over the issues. To go from a system where kids in riding schools learn an independent seat before they ever touch the reins to the US where riders going 2nd level are faking it, has to be frustrating and probably weighs on her mind when she’s thinking about why the US isn’t more competitive internationally.

ETA-The target of her irritation here seems to be the trainers that are not doing their jobs and are wasting her time and their client’s money. It sounds like people who have ridden with her at the lower levels feel like she’s given them a good lesson and that they’ve felt like she really made an effort. She always seems like she cares. I read her point to be that those trainers should be having their students spend money on 3 lunge lessons, etc. instead of paying clinic money for a riding lesson from CHS, CH or SP, etc.

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So Ms. Haddad wants to pick who attends her clinics. Fine, her prerogative. Having failed to do so before taking their checks, however, she now apparently wants to stand on her soapbox and run down the folks – and their trainers – who spent their time and money hoping to get a good lesson from her. Regardless of the wisdom or propriety of the business decision she’s making, her behavior was rude and that, I suspect, is the crux of the complaints on this thread and elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
I’m beating a dead horse, but she was not running down those riders; she is saying what she would like her clinics to be about.

You imply that the people who rode in her clinic did not get a good lesson from her which is unfair. In fact, I wish some of these riders would check in and tell us their experience. If, in fact, she is guilty of everything she has been accused of on this thread and gave really poor instruction at this clinic, I’ll bring the firewood and marshmallows if you guys will erect the stake and supply the ropes. :wink:

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I’m beating a dead horse, but she was not running down those riders; she is saying what she would like her clinics to be about.[/QUOTE]

Oh, silly everyone.

They read about this “beginners welcome” “Get Connected tour” and could not figure out that the actual desired result was an FEI symposium.

Then, when they so rudely showed up rather than having the good sense to realize they were not up to snuff, it disrepected the “Get Connected” clinician’s skill, and now they can sign into the dressage forum on COTH and see what she really thinks.

Suzy,

I read the entire blog and it made me want to cry for those people I describe. I felt sad, sad and angry on their behalf.

Paula

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CHS seems to spend a fair amount of time thinking about the state of US dressage at the international level and the overall quality of dressage riding in the US. [/QUOTE]

And whining about not making teams, when she’s SO OBVIOUSLY SO AMAZING.

While the blog had a certain edge to it, if I was in her position I’d not enjoy teaching tons of students who I would never see again. If she had a chance to teach an ammie student regularly and connect with her and her horse enough to get results, it would be a different thing…even if it was on a teaching tour that came by once or twice a year.

I’ve always been one who can get further, faster, with my own trainer, who I
pick because there is that connection of philosophy and understanding of my inabilities. I’ve never had a doubt when he answers my questions. I often wish he had the chance to do clinics for himself.

I’ve enjoyed clinic-ing with BNT’s and have been inspired just to be there, but I certainly see her point. In the past, clinicians have come up here with first slots awarded to the higher up riders, but then in the end, just to fill the clinic they have had to open it up to lower and lower plebs.

I personally think she has valid statements and comments.

It IS good for trainers to get ‘trained’. I know several top trainers that winter in Florida and/or California to train with other trainers and to compete with the best. Then bring that enhanced knowledge back to the rest of us.

Sadly there are a great many trainers who do NOT get training or apprenticing from top trainers. Even intermittently.

Her statement “I am often taken aback when clinic slots in the United States are filled with riders who can’t even put their horse on the bit.” Y’all DO understand that FIRST level test directives include : “to maintain a more consistent contact with the bit.” And SECOND LEVEL directives include “and is reliably on the bit.”

First and Second levels are easily within everyone’s grasp.

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Coming from a slightly different perspective-

CHS seems to spend a fair amount of time thinking about the state of US dressage at the international level and the overall quality of dressage riding in the US. Having lived in Germany for a significant portion of her competitive career, I can only imagine what she thinks when faced with the average AA US rider. I’ll go out on a limb and guess that less than 1/4 of the people she sees in her clinics have an indepdent seat. CHS can’t teach that in a clinic setting. At most she can gloss over the issues. To go from a system where kids in riding schools learn an independent seat before they ever touch the reins to the US where riders going 2nd level are faking it, has to be frustrating and probably weighs on her mind when she’s thinking about why the US isn’t more competitive internationally.

ETA-The target of her irritation here seems to be the trainers that are not doing their jobs and are wasting her time and their client’s money. It sounds like people who have ridden with her at the lower levels feel like she’s given them a good lesson and that they’ve felt like she really made an effort. She always seems like she cares. I read her point to be that those trainers should be having their students spend money on 3 lunge lessons, etc. instead of paying clinic money for a riding lesson from CHS, CH or SP, etc.[/QUOTE]

And, the problem isn’t just at 2nd level. I see plenty of riders all the way up through the levels that do not have independent seats! If our trainers don’t receive better training, they can’t pass it along to their students.

Maybe all those upper level riders within 100 miles of CHS’s clinics don’t want to ride with her. :wink:

Honestly, I can see both sides. It would be frustrating to spend all day teaching poorly prepared riders. However, I don’t agree that “lower level” and poorly prepared are always the same thing. You can go to shows every weekend and see riders at 3rd and 4th level who could use more instruction in the basics.

Not too long ago, I paid for a young friend with limited knowledge of dressage to ride one of my horses in a clinic. She’s been riding all her life, just not dressage. She loved the experience and learned a lot.

At the end of the three days, the German clinician pulled me aside and said “I would love to have her to ride my horses. Look at her balance. Look how soft her hands are. I teach so many accomplished dressage riders and they’re correct, but they’re so stiff. No feel at all. I would rather explain where the quarter line is to someone like her than to teach them."

If CHS feels differently, that’s her choice.

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Maybe all those upper level riders within 100 miles of CHS’s clinics don’t want to ride with her. :wink:

Honestly, I can see both sides. It would be frustrating to spend all day teaching poorly prepared riders. However, I don’t agree that “lower level” and poorly prepared are always the same thing. You can go to shows every weekend and see riders at 3rd and 4th level who could use more instruction in the basics.

Not too long ago, I paid for a young friend with limited knowledge of dressage to ride one of my horses in a clinic. She’s been riding all her life, just not dressage. She loved the experience and learned a lot.

At the end of the three days, the German clinician pulled me aside and said “I would love to have her to ride my horses. Look at her balance. Look how soft her hands are. I teach so many accomplished dressage riders and they’re correct, but they’re so stiff. No feel at all. I would rather explain where the quarter line is to someone like her than to teach them.”

If CHS feels differently, that’s her choice.[/QUOTE]

I’m guessing that riders like your friend are not the ones she’s talking about.

Indeed. It is her choice. You can’t fault her for her preferences. But like others have posted, just say it up front. Don’t say “beginners welcome” out of one side of your mouth, and then blog like this out of the other side.

I guess, looking more carefully at my reaction, I’m feeling mostly disappointed. We’re all human beings and we have different levels of patience and tolerance, but sometimes you should just keep things to yourself! You know I love my boy Carl. I would pay money to haul (I know, across the seas) my plug of a horse and my old body to his yard to shovel stalls, hot walk, feed, water, just to learn something from him. I’d be be devastated, heartbroken, if I found out he had this much disdain for someone who meditates on his riding ways.

So I guess it is all about me in that way.

Paula

I’ll step forward as a rider/student of CHS both at clinics and private lessons. get the pitchforks and torches

I’ve watched her teach phenomenal beginning lessons. How to sit properly. How to not use the reins for balance. How to get a softer, lighter connection with the seat. How to bring along complicated and somewhat difficult horses. Teaching flying changes. Working on better collection, etc.

I’ve also been fortunate enough to be in the learning curve of fine tuning things on talented horses of varying ages and levels.

The lessons are always respectful. The dialogue is friendly and supportive with a positive emphasis on the steady progression of a fair and just training with the horse’s welfare in mind. She has a very clear manner of explanation and instruction. Her system to develop a Grand Prix horse with the caliber of movement and expression to be competitive in an international arena is systematic and fair. Oh and it works.

As a rider, I thoroughly enjoy and will continue to gladly pay to have the input from a rider/trainer of her level. She knows how to teach the horse and rider. (there is a difference) Her inventory of teaching tools is vast, deep and easily accessible if you are willing to work for the end result.

It would be an honor (as a coach/trainer) to have a student reach the level where/when I can confidently say, “Please sign up for the next clinic or contact Catherine about a lesson. You have mastered so many things (seat, independent balance, have good hands and are fine tuning 4th level), it is time for you to seek out more advanced advice. May I please come audit your lesson?”

I do not take offense to her blog - the USA needs more help to bring on another generation of competitive FEI riders. She is knowledgeable and a very, very, very good instructor.

If nothing else, go audit a clinic next time she is near your home base and judge for yourself before you cast a firm opinion of how you stand on what she has to offer. Or go watch her ride at a show.

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Interesting that my interpretation of the whole post was that she is witnessing a trend in an overall lack of basics at her clinics and is concerned that the teachers themselves either a.) don’t know the basics, b.) don’t bother teaching the basics. c.) don’t know HOW to teach the basics.

I don’t think its an ego thing so much as a: “why are trainers taking their students time and money week after week, then having to send them to a $250/hr FEI clinician to teach them the basics?”

ETA: Being one of those riders who is still searching for a trainer with the knowledge and/or patience to teach me and my horse the basics is why I’m still floundering on my own with a horse that I can’t even get to a schooling show. The only difference between me and the ‘clueless’ is that I don’t have a crappy trainer charging me $60/hr and putting me in a 1st level test when I don’t even have the skills to ride Intro properly . :frowning:

One line in the blog made me stop and not take offense, despite the fact I think it was poorly written:

my talent lies in developing Grand Prix horses

I read that as an admission that her talent does NOT lie in fixing seat problems, and there are others whose talent does, and instructors working with the students who need that should also be learning how to teach it.

I will admit to looking around at what I see locally and know of multiple local trainers and being horrified. I do live in a small pond type of area. We certainly need to train the trainers, but to some extent I think that may not happen until the students realize the trainers aren’t as great as they want to be thought. My trainer is a spectacularly good trainer who adjusts his training style by individual and has regular clinics he sets up and encourages students to attend - where he listens to how they are taught and learns better how to teach from what he sees, as well as gets new ideas of ways to work through the problems his various students are having. He’s not the norm around here, and we have plenty of upper level riders around who can’t sit the canter.

I loved what de Kunffy said about training at different levels when he was here - that by the time a rider is an upper level rider, they should need the most beginner of helpers - just someone to tell them if they see any crookedness, unevenness, perhaps a backward stepping hoof in a pirouette. By then, the rider should be able to fix the problem just from having that pointed out. However, beginner riders need so much more information from someone who is experienced enough to both see the problem and see the cause of it, and focus on the most significant problems.

The most BNT I rode with was Jeremy Steinberg, and he’s fantastic with varying levels. He’s very much a teacher at heart, thus his getting the role as youth/young rider coach - it fits his skills. I specifically chose to take my horse who is relaxed at home and tense (explosively) away from home after watching him work with tension in multiple horses at the USDF Convention a couple years ago. The first day when we rode up to him and my horse was dancing around I told him that we had major tension issues away from home, and I needed help with strategies of how to fix them. I think my two 45 minute sessions added up to about 3 hours of riding with him, possibly more, and the entire time in between telling me specific things to do he was lecturing on tension, the little giveaways when my horse was releasing it, the different techniques I could use to help, etc. It may have been an expensive ride, but it was worth every penny - but my ride was right in his wheelhouse of skills.

I think asking your students to pay for a clinic which doesn’t help them if a trainer knows that in advance is reprehensible, and I suspect was the root of the ire behind this blog.