I have to say I have called both of my mares B***hs from time to time. Shayney just two days ago because she nearly scalped me while trying to get a fly on her side, oblivious to where I was, while I was removing her boots.
Name calling alone I would not ever consider abuse. Classless? Yes. (Finger also pointing at myself there)
IMHO I think Charlotteās fame may have outpaced her ability. That could possibly explain an apparent lack of patience in training and her inability to calmly problem solve.
Damn 
I swear almost worse than a sailor. I call my horse Princess Asshole as a pet name to make fun of her bossy personality. I would NEVER consider calling her a bitch at a show in front of anyone who may take it the wrong way, or not understand that I was joking (because I would be joking). Doing it in earnest? Oh. Hell. No. Doing it in earnest while mashing on the bridle either at home or a show? JFC, thatās awful.
I have told mine that they could be dog poop in a week. Is that bad 
I am guessing that when your training consists of creative ways to left/right sea sawing reins and/or kicking with spurs to compensate while your hands bounce, thatās what happens.
Yes, I do not admire her riding. There are other riders who also torture their horses but they ride pretty like Gal.
Are you at the top of the sport setting an example for the masses? Did you do it in a little fit of pique while yanking on your ponyās mouth?
Iām betting you were either making a quick correction with added verbal reinforcement or you were making a joke, and also, that you were not on the world stage at the top of the sport setting an example for the masses. Just a guess 
And because I know some people are going to say, but hey ā¦ yes, it makes a difference! We do and should hold those at the top of the sport to higher standards than we do our peers. Thatās the way the whole level of expectation is brought upwards - a trickle down theory that actually has substance to it.
Oof - a lot to unpack hereā¦
The curb cannot get to such an angle (Iād say 50-60 degrees from its resting position under no tension) without the curb rein being pretty darn tight. If that isnāt āoverly tightā Iād really hate to see what is. For reference hereās a pic of a similar bit at rest:
omg I hate when people call their horses names in anger, biggest pet peeve.Cant stand people who canāt control their anger over nothing.
Do you have a link? Thereās been at least one video to have emerged that has been misrepresented as being CDJ, but it was later determined it was not her.
Well after seeing the video, Iād be pretty intent on getting that horseās head back in this stratosphere too. Thatās not what I was imagining from the description.
Well, the Daily Fail is known for sensationalizing almost everything, so thereās that.
I also feel like people are going to be looking for any little thing involving CDJ just to say, āLook! She really has been terrible this whole time! Repeatedly!ā Which is fair, if thatās the case. I, personally, am not so offended by the ābitchā video.
This 5-15 second clip? Yeah, Iām not convinced thatās her. It doesnāt look like her. And you donāt hear her call the horse a name - just a loud bleep. It looks like the horse is bolting forward, so the rider might be saying āwhoaā or, as I have been known to say in such situations, āF***!ā. And, like @endlessclimb said, thatās not obviously abuse/an overreaction, like the original video.
The original video was obviously her and deserved to be universally condemned. This seems more like fake news, based solely on the info available at this link, as I see it.
Mine for that is ādonāt you put your ears in my mouth!ā
Aye, not sure what that Daily Fail video proves, other than that the Daily Fail is pure shight.
When a horse throws its head in the air and takes off like that, any swear word is fair game.
My horse has a little bit of a snacking problem when hacking. Iām working on it. Usually by yelling, āFor f&ckās sake, Hermosa!ā when she stops at an irrestistable bush.
Lots of people seem to believe the only level of competition out there is Olympics. Like all the beginner teens who say āmy goal is the Olympics.ā
You 100% mis my point.
MANY people who ride in spades shouldnāt. MANY people who ride in spades should. I ride regularly with people whose horses play with the cricket. They ride and teach in the Californico tradition. I 100% get that.
The core of this conversation is that dressage bits typically do not exert enough tongue pressure to make the horse lose blood flow to the tongue. The horse would be over-bent/behind the bit to evade. I brought up the spade bit because it works not very different from the curb, mostly on the bars. A double-jointed snaffle has tongue relief. A single jointed - not so much but the horse would likely fight to be above the bit due to the pressure on roof of the mouth. My question is HOW a typical bradoon or curb will cut off the blood supply to the tongue when it rests on the bars and the horse can over-bend to relieve pressure. Photos of āblue tongueā are suspicious to me.
Sure, I agree. I hate the young horse program. I hate the āspank and crankā crowd.
I just wasnāt sure what the spade and roller meant to the conversation. They werenāt really relevant, got it.
Thatās why I thought it might have to do with the combination of snaffle and vertical flexion. As I mentioned, some of these horses donāt look like they have a lot of room in the throatlatch.
Thank you so much for your post. This horse should be behind the vertical if the tongue lost circulation. As I mentioned, Western riders use high port bits that rest on the bars. They donāt notice blue tongues because the bit rests on the bars of the horseās mouth. Like a curb bit. That curb, which will be checked by FEI officials, shouldnāt create a blue tongue in a normal horse. Neither should the bradoon. The bits are checked after every ride. Maybe a tongue evaluation should be done as well?
OOps, and @Alterration
I do think it has more to do with the pounds of pressure on the bit continuously as well. Most western riders operate in a check-release kind of way instead of a continuous contact. There have been studies that show that the amount of contact (in lbs) that dressage riders put on the bit averages 3 lbs per hand (I am quoting from memory, so Iāll be happily corrected)? A steady pressure is much more likely to cut off circulation than a check-release no matter the bit.
But I do still think itās the snaffle and not the curb that is in play, just from a mechanics standpoint.
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