Agree. Often, you can find one-off deals due to owner/breeder circumstances, but to be looking for a consistent, repeatable “source” for warmbloods (registered? Assuming quality lines here, not Something x Something “WB”) is a BIG ask.
Weanlings or perhaps some lesser known breeding unbacked 2yos might be possible in that range. There’s a few FB groups that might be worth joining, too.
What’s your actual goal for the sales horse? Solid w/t/c safe for a reasonably talented amateur to take to their trainer to bring along their choice of discipline?
Does it HAVE to be a WB? 3/4 TB x draft can be a really nice horse for a lot of things. You can get some really nice TBs off the track, some of whom have even already been re-started, for well under $20k
IMHO, the WB situation you’re looking for is a here and there “oh hey by the way…” opportunity, not a regular, for all the reasons listed above.
Keep an eye on http://www.virginiaequestrian.com/main.cfm?action=classifieds&CatID=18 . I have occasionally seen young horses on there for decent prices from small time breeders. Full disclosure some of them are known in VA and are slightly nuts. Or more than slightly nuts.
Beware of the HHF horses. There is a reason unregistered horses from from $35k to $10k overnight. Check Facebook warmblood pages for more details.
How vague. This is a strange first post.
If we are going to vague post, I will add be wary of people selling Dutch Harness Horses as Dutch Warmbloods.
Ah yes, make sure to check bloodlines and papers with a truly knowledgeable party - one would hate to think they have a KWPN of the “jumper/dressage” lines only to find they ACTUALLY have a DHH of the harness type. Especially if resale to a certain market that does not love the harness type is the plan.
Anyway. Be careful. If a WB of any supposed quality is ringing in under $20k, do your research and make sure you know what you’re getting. This includes weanlings and in-utero.
If you’re looking at geldings, papers won’t matter nearly as much as what the horse in front of you looks like, assuming the horse is at least 3, and by the time you’re looking to flip, he can show his reasonable potential. But something you buy as an unstarted 2yo and want to sell as a basic super green broke 3yo with w/t/c would need a known pedigree if you’re looking to sell to someone who wants reasonably upper level work.
No, you’re not likely to sell a horse with an unknown pedigree as an upper level prospect, even if he looks like he’s got the potential as a greenie, but if that’s not your market, then it’s less of a big deal.
Mares are where pedigree matters more, since some will want to be able to go the breeding route if their nice mare gets injured. But then you’re back in the “good mares with good pedigrees aren’t really in flipper territory” boat.
So it really comes down to what your audience is. You really have to have one, to know what type of horse to buy
Sent you a pm. You can absolutely find these horses if you are willing to start them yourself
I find the DHH look distinct enough that you can usually tell before seeing the papers at least
I pmed you because I don’t think yours came through
It was a vague-post about a debacle related to that exact issue. The take away being if it’s too good to be true, look twice; if it seems a little crazy, it might be crazy.
It sounds like this person wants to buy something that’s of the age to be started under saddle so they can flip it… in which case it wouldn’t be applicable to the person y’all are posting vaguely about.
But it will still be very difficult to find a quality WB of that age under $20k, imo…
Flipping started draft crosses is a very different business model from properly starting young warmbloods. I’d make sure you have a deep toolkit on the ground and under saddle along with a good mentor and a back up plan if you end up with a challenging young horse. Some babies can make anyone look good and there are some that 6 months in are making people wonder whether their brains will ever arrive in the mail.
I have flipped quite a few warmbloods as well, we just don’t have a solid source for them.
For sure, one party in particular goes well out of their way to try to mislead/ deflect/ distract that that they are taking advantage of the semantics of having KWPN papers when using Harness bred mares.
Just call a spade a spade already.
Just going to put this here.
So there are “warm bloods” and “draft crosses”…… we can discuss the technicality of the phrasing but there is a distinct difference depending for what you are searching.
They have a home!
I’m so happy to hear this!!!
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