check reins..the why's and wherefores?

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing…and I just received three books on driving!
So, of course, I’m full of questions!

First, about the check rein.

When I bought my guy, he was put to a cart and check reined up really high… His underneck was very over developed and his back seemed dropped, to me. The owner told me that it was for control and to get them to work off the hind end…But, that over-developed under-neck didn’t say “correct” to me. (Coming from a dressage background…)

I see pictures of people driving pleasure horses and the horses look a lot like dressage horses…round over the topline and able to reach forward…that is an outline I am much more comfortable with.

So…could we have a discussion on the why/when/how/what of check reins?

The difference in use of the over-checks and side checks?

Are checks always necessary?

Do they help the horse work from behind?

Any other info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Cinder

PS…my horse is now being ridden in a much rounder frame and he feels a lot freer in his back than when I got him…Then, he didn’t seem to realize he COULD lower his head! I’m assuming this was from the check rein, coupled of course with conformation?

Check reins are used in breed shows sometimes, sometimes required by them, BUT are not allowed in ADS shows. They are used in harness racing also.
They do not encourage correct movement as you already found out. We train in a classical dressage method and have never used them.
I have used side checks with my mini donk. His head was much too close to the ground and they acted as anti-grazing reins.

Side checks (a length of adjustable leather that is attached at one end to the hook on the top of the saddle; mid-way running through a dropped terret at the side of the bridle near the browband; the other end attached to the horse’s bit) were developed to keep the horse’s head in a position that was optimum for the coachman’s control. It also prevented the horse from dropping it’s head to the ground to graze while in harness. :wink:

Today a side check is still used for the same purpose. It should only be “engaged” if the horse’s head drops too low or tries to “bear down” on the driver’s hands, and – in the pleasure driving horse – should never be used “a la Black Beauty” to pull the head up and hold it in an unnatural position. You will see it being used for the last purposes in the Hackney and Saddlebred under harness shows, but (to me) that’s merely a holdover from the 1900’s-1910’s when a horse was supposed to look “proud” in harness.

ADS rules (Part 2, Gen’l Rules and Regs: Article #18) says side checks are optional, and overchecks are forbidden in some classes, but if appropriate for the vehicle, they are allowed.

An overcheck is used on racing horses, and on working draft horses, and was also used on runabout and road cart horses, and in later years on buggy horses. It runs from one end being attached to the saddle via a hook, up the crest of the mane, through the ears via a slot in the harness at the poll piece, and thence down the front of the face to the bit. You really shouldn’t see it (correctly speaking) on a pleasure driving horse, or driving competition horse.

Do they help the horse work from behind? Guess that depends upon whom you ask, and the type of horse they are driving, and the vehicle/hitch. Are they needed? Yes and no. Depends …on a lot of factors, and situations. Always the driver’s choice to use or not use.

PS…my horse is now being ridden in a much rounder frame and he feels a lot freer in his back than when I got him…Then, he didn’t seem to realize he COULD lower his head! I’m assuming this was from the check rein, coupled of course with conformation?

I would think so. From your comments it looks like he’s in much happier, far more comfortable and giving hands. :yes:

Check (or bearing) reins aren’t very often seen at all in the UK. Over-checks are never permitted on anything in the UK.

Mainly because they’re a thing that all too often is incorrectly used and when that’s the case they cause all sorts of difficulties for the horse. They received much notoriety following the publication of “Black Beauty” by Anna Sewall and which was specifically written to highlight the plight and abuse of many commercial driving horses.

Have a read of this

http://books.google.com/books?id=LClKAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA348&lpg=RA1-PA348&dq=check+reins&source=web&ots=Rx3x2apavo&sig=CcXzPL_u59ctPAEUFQMf0SBv7p0

As a novice driver, you really shouldn’t even be thinking of them.

The Amish use the overcheck to keep the horse pulling from their hind while they’re in the buggy. It’s a matter of efficiency as opposed to form. I’ve driven horses in an Amish buggy. The feel is very discombobulated. There are degrees of tight as well.

It sounds like that’s what the people you bought the grey monster from were using too tight of a check. What happens physically in that situation is that the horse’s frame is forced backwards and “squishes” the back structure. What you’re experiencing is the “letting down” as his body readjusts to moving in a relatively more relaxed frame. I’ve seen this over and over again when we’ve bought a horse that spent its’ time on the buggy.

Plow horses and us commercial folk use side checks. In my world, it keeps the horse from looking like “dead meat walking.” As much as I teach people how to drive properly, commercial work isn’t a riding arena and I can’t keep tabs on people all the time. Hence the sidechecks.

The check is a mechanical aid. It will keep a horse moving more off of the hindquarters as opposed to walking on the front end. But nothing more, nothing less and is easily abused in the hands of the ignorant.

I once came across a picture of Percheron pulling a grocery wagon from 100 years ago. What sticks in my head the most is the way the sidecheck was positioned. The teardrop loop on the bridle was set so low that the sidecheck was straight from the saddle to the bit, a la riding reins.

As always, just my .2, take it for what it’s worth. :wink:

Tho![](as…I agree and that is why I was asking…

So, why does it seem that most (if not all) harness COME WITH an over check or side check bridle, if they aren’t used much anymore? Do you just remove them? If you buy a harness that comes with one, can you request they remove it and credit you the difference?

It sounds like that’s what the people you bought the grey monster from were using too tight of a check. What happens physically in that situation is that the horse’s frame is forced backwards and “squishes” the back structure. What you’re experiencing is the “letting down” as his body readjusts to moving in a relatively more relaxed frame. I’ve seen this over and over again when we’ve bought a horse that spent its’ time on the buggy.

“The grey monster”…I’ve called him a few things, myself!

Reading your quote, above, made me remember another thought I had about two months after I brought him home. I sticked him @ 16.0 in May …the day he came home and then in July, I sticked him and he was 16.2! I wondered at the time if this had something to do with his “uncoiling” from being driven like he was, and a driver on another board suggested the same thing. Interesting that it could affect his body structure that much.

Here is the day he came home… [IMG]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/beautifulbrowbands/lefty004.jpg)

and here he is after 2 months of dressage work…

[IMG]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/beautifulbrowbands/julywalk1.jpg)

I truly appreciate the amount of help I receive on this board.

Just this morning, I was speaking to my blacksmith, who drives a tandem Haflinger team, and he offered to help me out once the weather clears up, so that is one resource I will be using for sure!

Cinder

I’ve not seen a harness come with fittings for checks for decades.

But then there’s a lot of stuff over there that would be alien to me.

Just been reading about it being considered the norm and part of good training to tranquilise horses so you can take them hunting ! :eek::confused:

The overcheck was a device originating in the Harness Racing world. Used to keep the speed horse from dropping his nose, allowing clear airflow from nostrils to lungs. No excuse for horse to slow down at speed in races. Since many of the horses were used at home as well as raced at first, the device became common as a “part” of the harness, instead of an option, when harness maker sold them. Like sidechecks, the overcheck prevented horse getting his head down, perhaps grabbing grass, kicking up his heels in work. You KNOW that any piece of harness included in a set, MUST be used!! Have to get your money’s worth!

MANY animals in the East, were of Morgan descent, used in Standardbred breeding. The mixes were often used as speedsters on the common road, and did better when checked up to open the breathing tubes. No bend at the throatlatch like sidechecks promote. Even with the driver pulling reins, balancing horse at speed, he didn’t slow down with overcheck on. There is always a market for a speedy horse, even if he isn’t fast enough to race. Many family stories about “Getting to church behind the old mare”, ahead of the neighbor so you weren’t dusty from following. Mare may look plain, but that old mare could trot 2:30 which was pretty good time at the early days of the Standardbreds. She just stretched out her nose and flew. Especially good speed, going on those bad roads, pulling the whole family and buggy along!

With so many of these horses being bred for racing first, then slow ones moving to family sales, all are broke out with overchecks. When you check them up, they are “ON”, time to work. Show ring horses are the same, Hackney, Fancy Morgans, Saddlebreds. Check rein means “show time”, they get animated. People tend to stay with what horse is used to. Only recently have we ever asked horses to go round. Look at old photos, they are driving lots of lanky, speedy looking, plain-headed horses. Change the vehicle, same style hitching in front of the race bike as the buggy. Pretty much all wearing snug, uplifting checkreins, with overchecks the preferred one. Here in the Midwest, Standardbreds were easy and cheap to come by. So was all the equipment they used, including overchecks, so that is what folks used.

You don’t see much in checkreins, either kind, on art or photos of family driving horses out west. Those animals needed their necks for balance, working in the hard going of mountains, rough ground. City drivers might have checks, but not the ranch horses, freighters before railroads. Too hard on the working horses, dangerous if restricted horse could not get his balance back, on narrow trails.

Checkreins are a device to help driver retain control, easier. When drivers were out for hours, all day going places, or stopping to stand around for long times, the checkreins kept the horses from getting in trouble. Saved the drivers arms, he didn’t nag quite so much. In multiples, they could not easily rub heads to remove bridles or tangle reins. Not tempted to graze, they learned they couldn’t get heads down.

As with any device, if a little is good, a lot of tightening must be better!! Style setters used tight reins, often copied by others. So seeing horses checked up hard, was common. They had all sorts of reasons for doing it, while common sense horsemen could not convince them differently. Quite like many horse practices still seen today!! I don’t think checkreins are any help in making horse work off his rear end, because they throw the front end out of balance. Going pretty straight in racing bike for short times of an hour or so, is very different than working for several hours, pulling a load down the road.

Again, folks use harness styles, gimmicks, what they are used to seeing, what they grew up with, or others they think experienced, tell them is good equipment. We listen to folks that we think drive well, doing what style of driving we wish to copy!

If you can safely work horse with no checkrein, that is the best way to do it. As in Dressage, the horse will be better able to use his body, develop the correct muscling. As you mentioned, he has lots of mucle developed underneath his neck from leaning on the checkrein. It should be reduced and disappear over time, as his back comes up, and he uses his neck correctly. It will take some time, but is not an impossible goal for him.

[QUOTE=cinder88;2949106]
Thomas…I agree and that is why I was asking…

So, why does it seem that most (if not all) harness COME WITH an over check or side check bridle, if they aren’t used much anymore? Do you just remove them? If you buy a harness that comes with one, can you request they remove it and credit you the difference?
Cinder[/QUOTE]

If you plan to buy or order a new harness, you should just ASK if it comes with a checkrein. If yes, ask if you can trade that for a false martingale for the breastcollar. That is what we did for our harness. I can USE the false martingale to keep the breastcollar down.

We do have a sidecheck, for use in 4-H. It is required equipment when daughter drives in her 4-H classes. Probably is old-time thinking about safety. Put in rules as effort to protect the children drivers from kicking horses. Hers is fitted loosely, horse can drop nose to knee level. Sometimes the arena dirt is very deep going for driving in. Horse needs to be able to use his head.

Many harnesses than come with a checkrein have a bridle that doesn’t have a noseband. It has a piece that comes between the ears and eyes then seperates and goes to each side of the bit. My first mini harness was like that. Nosebands are required in ADS driving so if you are buying a harness, be sure to get a bridle that is correct. If you look on Country Carriages USA, their bridles are correct for ADS and I’m sure lots of others are.

A properly adjusted overcheck or sidecheck on Saddlebred, Morgan, Hackney or Roadster show horses should not be tight when the horses head is in the correct position. Overchecks are usually used on roadsters and fine harness and pleasure driving show horses (horses that are all driven in sanffles), sidechecks on horses that use liverpool bits (although the rules for some of the divisions do let you use a side check with a snafle bridle). If it is tight, holding the horse head up, the trainer has not done their job well. Many of these show horses are worked at home with quite loose checks or no checks at all.

Checks have not been in common use in ADS carriage driving for more than 20 years. Depending on where you buy your harness it will come with a check or not.

The Amish DO still use checks so working Amish harness in the price range where the Amish are likely to be buying come set up for that market.

Harness set up for the style of driving “the English” do is frequently not set up with checks. If the harness is being built for you, you can certainly ask them to set it up the way you like.

Standard equipment for racing and I always drove my Standardbred with an over check on the jog cart. Goodhors covered that topic thoroughly!

http://www.ustrotting.com/services/breed/harness.cfm#equip

My bridle look about the same as what is pictured in the blue box on the USTA site.

Standarbreds off the track have major stiffness issues that are greatly improved by riding and retraining. I continued to use the over check on my gelding but it was looser than what is used for racing.

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;2948819]
Check (or bearing) reins aren’t very often seen at all in the UK. Over-checks are never permitted on anything in the UK.

Mainly because they’re a thing that all too often is incorrectly used and when that’s the case they cause all sorts of difficulties for the horse. They received much notoriety following the publication of “Black Beauty” by Anna Sewall and which was specifically written to highlight the plight and abuse of many commercial driving horses.

Have a read of this

http://books.google.com/books?id=LClKAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA348&lpg=RA1-PA348&dq=check+reins&source=web&ots=Rx3x2apavo&sig=CcXzPL_u59ctPAEUFQMf0SBv7p0

As a novice driver, you really shouldn’t even be thinking of them.[/QUOTE]

This kind of got stuck in my head! As far as I knew ALL Standardbred racing used over-checks. So I got curious to see if the UK was racing with different gear.

It looks like they use over-check for racing in the UK also.

http://www.bhrc.org.uk/new/main.php
http://www.yorkharnessracingclub.co.uk/hall_of_fame_2007.htm

Its been done that way for a long time. Here is a picture of a relative of mine in Canada and you can see the over-check as well (from 1951).

http://www.peiharnessracing.com/callbeck.html

So if you are raised around Standarbreds they are considered standard equipment.

I am surprised you don’t see more of them in the UK but then perhaps you just don’t see a lot of Standardbreds out side of the tracks.

Interesting!

but then perhaps you just don’t see a lot of Standardbreds out side of the tracks.

Harness racing isn’t popular in the UK, at least in my opinion. I grew up there for twenty (something years) and never heard of one (of course I admit I never went looking either). Hence Standbreds aren’t a huge breed over there either, now it may well have changed in the last 10 years.