Chestnuts (on legs)... explaining them to a creationist???

[JumpingPaints]

[QUOTE=DressageGeek “Ribbon Ho”;1942806]
I think it’s so as not to be blasphemous.

Personally - I am not religious. I am not certain if there is a God. I do believe that if I try to cause no harm to others, that if I try to do what I can for others, that that is the “right” thing. I don’t know if there’s heaven or hell or afterlife. These are questions I will never be able to answer (I guess I will find out about the heaven and hell issue when i die though).

What I do find offensive, is when people who do not have the education or scientific understanding and who just state that carbon dating is a load of hooey. I have yet to meet someone who claims this who actually even know what is involved in the process.

I have read both the Old and New Testatments. I do not take them literally. I believe that they are manuscripts written and translated and retranslated that are parables to help people assuage their fears about death and bad things, and to hopefully help them live better lives. On the other hand, I believe religion is a deeply personal issue and that each person makes this decision for themselves as to what they believe, so I can’t say what is wrong for me isn’t right for them.

However, when someone is simply incapable of passing judgement on a scientific issue because they lack the basic understanding of the science involved, they should return the favor and say, “This is what I believe, but i respect your right to disagree.”

Diversity is a great thing. There are actually people out there who do not like horses. There are people who actually prefer warmbloods to thoroughbreds!!! There are people who do Parelli without a Kohlrhabi stick!

It would be nice if we could share our views, learn from each other, and accept what we choose to accept.

that being said, I am simply appalled that the members of the House and Senate, for the most part, completely disregard valid scientific input when making their political decisions.[/QUOTE]

Well said DG.

[dizzywriter]

[QUOTE=Czar;1943086]
Just for a little clarification…a person cannot just pick up the Bible and start reading and understand it; especially if they are predisposed to being skeptical. It was not designed that way…it was designed as a communication between God and his people which means it’s two-way…if you’re not reading it in the Spirit…you won’t get it.[/QUOTE]

You’re kidding, right?

Thanks. I’m no expert, but I was raised on the Good Book. Probably differently from you but nevertheless. If I am missing the “spirit”, it has nothing to do with horses. But your insight into how the Bible was designed is awe-inspiring, though flawed. If it’s “two way”, my way counts as well.

Also, if you are calling yourself czar, you may recall that the Russian czar Peter the Great completely subordinated the Russian Orthodox Church to the imperial state. Gee, how spiritual can that be?

[Czar]

@dizzywriter;1943118

You’re kidding, right?

Thanks. I’m no expert, but I was raised on the Good Book. Probably differently from you but nevertheless. If I am missing the “spirit”, it has nothing to do with horses. But your insight into how the Bible was designed is awe-inspiring, though flawed. If it’s “two way”, my way counts as well.

Also, if you are calling yourself czar, you may recall that the Russian czar Peter the Great completely subordinated the Russian Orthodox Church to the imperial state. Gee, how spiritual can that be?

:lol: What? Again, what?

[mp]

Originally Posted by cyberbay
I just use my senses, including observation. I’ve been coming to the conclusion that people who need a God have a deficit in their relationship with themselves. They don’t believe in themselves, they don’t believe in their own sense of ability or their own power. They won’t accept the full spectrum of the human psyche or human nature (all its so-called ‘good’ and all its so-called ‘bad’) – they absolutely refuse to believe that they could do anything as bad as the criminal they hear about on the evening news, but don’t think twice about supporting, say, the death penalty. They need to have something ‘outside’ of themselves , to explain scary things (like 9-11 or the tsunami), or b/c of their fear of chaos. They don’t accept that life is naturally chaotic (all you have to do is look at the supposed chaos of nature), and certainly don’t see that chaos has plenty of order (at least in Nature–and these people tend to be fearing and hating of nature, too). They have little sense of wonder. etc etc etc

Sounds pretty “judgemental” to me. I am not a theist myself. But I know people who are. And many have arrived at their faith through much introspection and thought. It’s not simply to feel good or safe. Or because they lack imagination and didn’t consider other paths for their spirituality.

[dizzywriter]

[QUOTE=Czar;1943123]
:lol: What? Again, what?[/QUOTE]

Need I repeat? Or are you incapable of an answer?

If I’m unclear, I’d like to hear that from other COTHers. Then I will clarify. If not, I’ll consider you incapable of a coherent response.

[Czar]

@dizzywriter;1943136

Need I repeat? Or are you incapable of an answer?

If I’m unclear, I’d like to hear that from other COTHers. Then I will clarify. If not, I’ll consider you incapable of a coherent response.

:lol: Calm down a little, shall we? By two-way I meant between God and a person…not sure how you took it?

[dizzywriter]

[QUOTE=Czar;1943141]
:lol: Calm down a little, shall we? By two-way I meant between God and a person…not sure how you took it?[/QUOTE]

OK, deep breath. The Old Testament is not between God and a person, though you may believe that. It is, objectively, a semi-historical document. What further importance we impart to it is subjective belief. Let’s leave it at that.

Let’s get back to the OP :-). It is about how horse chestnuts are evolutionarily impossible because our world was created in six days, about 4000 years BCE.

[Czar]

But it was written as such if you believe as I do.

Anyway, I will respectively bow out of this thread as I hear a train whistle in the distance and my horse needs to be ridden

[dizzywriter]

Have a good ride. I’m going to sleep.

[dq_for_life]

I’m with Mt Trails. I am having a beer!
Plus, slow down you guys! You all missed why male horses have chestnuts too. That is so the baby can recongize their daddy!

[Smiles]

We just went over this in my Bio 302 course.
http://www.tasc-creationscience.org You guys can read up on the creationist discrediting science, believe me its fun reading times!!!:yes: Honestly to each his own but we live in the 21 century and the world is’nt flat anymore!!!

[Prieta]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Fantastic show of diversity here! :winkgrin:

Einstein was one of the few scientists to start working on Quantum Mechanic…he oftentimes referred to The Old One…

Who wrote the Bible? Oohhhhhhh a perfect topic for Halloween! Ohhhhhh whooosssh! Those ghosts must have had lots of fun riding horses! They must be so puzzled about where chestnuts on their horses came from so they had to write to start the whole thing!

[darkmoonlady]

Just to make it interesting I’d do a little research and see what other cultures have said about horses, chestnuts and the origins of horses. Despite being a hard core believer in science, the poetry of the “allah took a handful of southerly wind, blew his breath over it, and created the horse”, I find very moving even though I am not muslim. If anyone wants to say it was biblical, then you get to tell the OTHER versions of it, the bedouin, the native american, the whatever cool creation story that you can find on horses to add to the mix and balance things out.

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

Well, whoever is responsible, I am very very happy they made horses. Chestnuts and all.

[Appassionato]

@DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho";1943319

Well, whoever is responsible, I am very very happy they made horses. Chestnuts and all.

Yeah, well, I want to speak with the same guy responsible for hoof design.

Whatever happened to “Love Thy Neighbor”? I agree with others, chugga chugga choo choo! :lol:

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

Yes, and why did they set it up so whenever you are brushing their tail, or something like that…they fart and you are in the direct line of fire? Or is this just a guy thing and mares don’t do this, only geldings? And if so, why did they make guys do that?

[RHdobes563]

Well, I’m religious, but I don’t go to church. AND I believe in both Creation and Evolution.

Now, in the Bible somewhere it says (and I paraphrase, because I’m lapsed), “a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day to God.” So, in MY opinion, each of those Six Days of Creation of God could have been 1,000,000,000 years each. I just figure God was fine-tuning it as he was going on. I don’t supposed He gets bored. And He might just have 1,000,000 OTHER worlds that He is doing the same thing with.

So far, He hasn’t told me I’m wrong.

By the way, I’ve had “religious people” tell me in the past that I was wrong and going against God’s Will for owning a horse and NOT wanting children. I simply told them that God created me with a GREAT love of animals and NO desire for children, and who am I to question HIM for making me this way?

[Appassionato]

@DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho";1943363

Yes, and why did they set it up so whenever you are brushing their tail, or something like that…they fart and you are in the direct line of fire? Or is this just a guy thing and mares don’t do this, only geldings? And if so, why did they make guys do that?

LMAO! Isn’t it the truth? And oh, BTW since my guy is older/had him longer, it gets worse. They start the blowing of it, then orchestrating sounds. And look all proud like, 'I don’t need no stinking lighter to accentuate it with.". Completely sick I tell ya!

[hundredacres]

Okay…I am prepared for that question the next time: Regular-opened minded people get the answer that science proves…
The Creationists get this one:

The devil was playing with a horse in the pasture one day. God caught the naughty steed and told it the devil was once an angel and banished from heaven (for what, I cannot remember but there is some important lesson in that act)…God told the horse that he must stop or he too would be punished by wearing horns. But the horse was having too much fun…and he took off running like the wind around the pasture — as he did God tried to strike him with his mighty power of lightening from the heavens, but the damned horse was moving so fast he only got knicked as he sped passed! God tried and tried to nail that horse with his bolts of lightening and make him wear horns as his punishment, but as we know, they can be gigantic PITA’s so He gave up to try again another day. All the horse was left with was nubs on his heels and the insides of his legs. God got busy punishing the snake and forgot all about the naughty horse.

Makes sense doesn’t it?

[Prieta]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

A great way to explain the mysteries!