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may i ask ehat you think of the common — ant
Interesting. And what about all the glosses inserted throughout history, the translations, mistranslations and oh–what about the Council of Nicea?
And yes, before you make any assumptions, I am a Christian.
the ant was before time and will be after time —
my point – the ant is a clever sole – for it will work at anything given regardless of – relegion
Oh, no, mares do that as well. I keep trying to tell Martini that ladies “don’t do that”. Just makes her dump a load instead of merely passing gas…
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As good an explanation as any. That and the dog treat one works for me.
Besides - everyone know that the world is supported on the back of a turtle. And for those naysayers who ask what the turtle is standing on - well - it’s turtles all the way down, of course.
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Oh sure, and next thing you will bring up the Dead Sea Scrolls, Martin Luther’s concept of free will and probably even mention that Constantinople further expounded on Constantine’s work in Nicea. Why I bet Constantine KNEW all about horse chestnuts!
Horse evolution is held up as one of the best examples of evolution. Of course because of that it has landed in the center of the evolution debate.
I don’t understand how evolution and religious beliefs have to be at odds? Science and Religion are really not that polar. Why can’t someone who believes in evolution not believe in God and Heaven, Etc? Who can judge such faith?
ahh,juicy thread!!
cyberbay,I think idealogically speaking you and I are twins seperated at birth.
have you read Dawkins?
Who can judge? I will! For one, some faiths speak in tongues! I think that stuff is whack, but that’s just me!
<running for the hills, since this faith has been mentioned and I’d LOVE to see the defense, but from WAAAAAY over here, thanks.>
And this is exactly why it also has the highest probablity of being wrong. That old adage about “If it seems too good to be true, then it probably is” applies to a lot more than scammer’s schemes.
Can’t this be applied to many things? Religion, for example?
<Runs like the nekkid dude on Reno 9-11>
Ouch…touche!
Wow… I never knew that. Learn something new everyday. 
Religion has too many expectations of its followers for this to apply. Heaven would have to be an unconditional guarantee for it to be “too good to be true”. Secular Humanism (godlessness) might qualify, though. 
Oh boy…I have been there before. I had a teenage girl that worked for me that was a Born Again Evangelical. I made the mistake of saying some thing about horses evolving and OH BOY! It was even better when she found out my husband is Jewish. LOL Shen was shocked at first…but then she told me it was OK since the Jews are Gods chosen people. I still laugh about it with my hubby.
Or extremists, like in 9-11. They got to have 72 virgins in heaven. Allah knows they believed that.
See my point?
Oh my.
I wasn’t going to post on this thread, but all I can say is…oh my.
To the OP, the man who laughed at you was quite rude. Sorry to hear about the situation. I think personally that you can simply explain the belief that the toe is a vestigal toe, and then you can explain that others believe…well, some of the myriad of things that have been presented on this thread.
For me personally, I don’t feel that creation and evolution must be distinct. There is far too much evidence and logic supporting evolution, and I do not believe that the Bible is to be taken literally, spirit filled or not. The Bible is a collection of books, decided on by several ecumenical councils based on several criteria - the Old Testament was accepted pretty much as is, but the New had so many different books that they kept only those books that mentioned Jesus and his return from death. That that was the message they wanted to send. As historical books, they are fascinating, particularly when you find out the dates of certain books and how certain books used other books as their basis.
Also, based on other historical writings in the same time period, the writing style was highly allegorical, so it makes little sense that the writers, God-breathed or not, would have suddenly written a literal work. It wouldn’t have worked to communicate God’s word. No one would have understood it.
But I digress, there is little point in arguing these points with someone who firmly wishes to disbelieve in evolution, or the origination of their own religion. It’s kinda like beating your head against the wall. If you do it long enough, someone comes along, puts a helmet on you and gives you some nice happy meds - because now it’s YOUR problem.
I wonder if horses are gods? We seem to make many offerings to appease them… and do we not often ask them for their benevolence.
I know that the horse evolution is criticized by many groups, who do believe in Creationism, for example.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c016.html
I believe in evolution, I think the fossil record shows that species have evolved over the years…that does not mean I do not believe in God or spiritual faith.
Sorry for not specifying the “Christian” religion in my comment, since that’s what I was thinking (not sure if other religions have “Heaven” by that name or not).
I think maybe there is a point at which extremism eclipses faith, and the religion becomes the excuse for the extremism. By then, they’ve whizzed clear past “too good to be true” right on to “plumb crazy”.
