Children at Risk Riding Programs

Heidi, please tell more, or again, on this thread about your program thoughts.

I too had thought about the value of this in our remote desert area. We have the highest teen age pregnancy statics, I believe, in the country. We also have a high unemployment rate, and an “international” influence if you get my drift. I don’t want to take the lid off another can of worms.

I had looked up Kathy Kusner’s program on a website somewhere. Unfortunately, after many years she was still having trouble gaining funding. I thought if she has trouble raising support with her noteriety, what am I thinking.

Anyway, what other programs are out there? Do I sense a grass roots movement here? Maybe thought of on a national level.

Yes, Rockstar, that would be the goal. We don’t have the funding it seems for the CEF (our governing body here in Canada) to launch such a program, so it’d be wonderful if it can be done privately.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Palisades:
[B] I do have a lot of ideas, though, and would love to share them if you are interested. I live about an hour outside of Toronto, perhaps we could get together some time.

I think that perhaps the idea that the foundation would own top horses would be hard to handle…and a lot of expense between the times they are on loan to someone. But I am sure that there are many people out there with talented (and probably green) horses who would love to have a really good junior show them.

Also, I believe that there is more to offer these teens than just showing…shouldn’t “sponsorship” of them also encumpass (sp?) the winter months? Give them time to train the horse, work with a coach, and learn horse care. There is far too much emphasis today on the showing aspect of the horse world…I am sure many young kids would love to have a horse to work with over the winter. Anyone who wants to have a shot at becoming a top profesional has to be in it for the long haul, not just the 6 months a year they show.

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I am so pleased by your enthusiasm and support Palisades!

I will absolutely contact you as we approach something approaching a satisfactory structure. Please do though email me at heidi278@home.com with any suggestions and insights - as a teenager I think you’ll have greater familiarity than perhaps I do, as not-a-teenager, with the ‘junior’ scene.

Answering some of your queries (w/ proviso I don’t have all the answers, they change daily):

  1. In terms of the foundation’s ownership of horses, I’d thought of your exact point (i.e. there are many existing green horses who’d probably be available to ride/show) but my essential concern is that in Canada horses are often sold, for a variety of reasons, prematurely (my opinion) and one of the benefits I think we can offer is consistency - i.e. a junior will have years to help bring along the horse, show the horse, and as the relationship develops between horse/rider, the partnership will be intact to move through the classes together.

  2. It should probably be a year round program but I’m concerned that the sport will overwhelm everything else in the recipient’s life - i.e. school. I believe profoundly in the value of education and DO NOT want the foundation’s activities to discourage the pursuit of education.

No, horsemanship is not defined by a summer of showing and certainly I’d want whomever to be exposed to everything - clinics with farriers, vets, equine masseurs, top showjumpers, trainers, lawyers, accountants. I’d like the foundation to support a comprehensive ‘education’ about the equine sports; however, I don’t know that I want the program to run year round…But then again, my thoughts are so preliminary, I’ll probably end up changing my mind.

BTW, in all likelihood, I’ll run into someone I think is you at the Royal, I’ll be at the Fox and Hound clasping Hans’ hand, surrounded by goats…nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

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Luckily for us Wave, here in Ontario riding isn’t a sport of one colour. Although we could be doing more to promote it to the GENERAL public, a public of all colours and races.

If you’d really like to support this venture visit the discussion board All Things Horsey @
www.equiman.com for more information.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rockstar:
[B]b Kelsy,

Heidi does not mean to take the inner city children to Europe… I think she dreams of being able to do that for the working students the foundation will suport.

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Sorry, I’m an idiot.

J. Turner, thanks for your insights about the best location of such programs…as I recall, some criticism of Kathy Kusner’s approach to her program was voiced on the Good Causes thread in which the link above was posted. Your direct experience lets us all know why she chose to go in the direction she did.

More later…again, heidi, your ideas are wonderful!

Wave, welcome to our discussion.

I couldn’t agree with you more. I find riding to be similar to the golf world, very white. Lee Trevino, Chi Chi Rodriguez, representing the hispanic community, and of course now Tiger Woods representing the black community, of course there were others before him, Calvin Peete, Jim Thorpe to name a couple.

My focus of this thread was find suggestions for a way to do similarly for riding what Tiger Woods is doing for golf in his “First Tee” program. That is providing an opportunity for children of all races, but trapped within the inner city a chance to expose themselves to the world of horses.

I really do not think it needs to go as far as a showing experience. But rather be a self-esteem building experience. Relate to something other than the negative sights and sounds of so many neighborhoods.

I am located in a small AZ community. We do not have what I would call an “inner city” situation. We do have wide open spaces, and easy access to the country. However, we do have a very predominate hispanic population, though that is not the only group of people of concern here. There is an area in town known for its drive-by-shootings. There is an incredible amount of gang related crime. Again I state we have, by my judgemental standards, a very high rate of teenage pregnancy, not divided by race.

Is there not a way to give these children, people, something else to take up their interest and their time?

Personally, I say that my activity in horses when I was in my college years kept me out of all kinds of trouble. That was in the dawn of the drug era in the late 60’s. It was two fold, I didn’t have time to be scre*ing around with the wrong crowd, I was at the barn. The other factor was I was too broke feeding these darn critters, so I couldn’t afford another expensive habit, such as drugs. LOL

That said, I do see the potential for another thread regarding the racial mix or non-mix of equestrian sports. Care to open that door?

Kelsy, you’re bringing into this discussion a lot of real experience that others here don’t have with this type of program. Hopefully that kind of experience can help Heidi and others planning similar programs.

I am a beginner teacher … just one year on the books. I did my student teaching in the inner-city in Atlanta. I spent my first year in a middle-class community in Danvers, Massachusetts. Atlanta was 100% black; Danvers was about 99% white. I am white, honky white! There are stresses involved in each, and I prefer the stresses of the inner city. I cannot deal with the entitlements assumed my the middle to upper middle class white kids – not all of them, of course.

– You owe them a good grade. They don’t have to earn it
– Parents automatically assume you are out to get their kids. "My kids couldn’t possibly do that [speaking out in class, copying homework, etc.]
– Along the same lines, very little parental support of the academic process – rather give their kids an “A”, than the kids learn something hard and get a “B.”
– “You’re giving too much homework.”
– “Ever since we bought him the car, homework’s been an issue.” (you don’t know how many times I’ve heard that)

Even if the inner city kids don’t live with their parents (instead grandparents, aunts, etc.) let me tell you that for the most part, they still have a respect for teachers. They’ll defer to me as to how to raise their child! “What should I do Mrs. Turner?” 75 year old grandmothers calling me “Mrs.” A 300-pound football player begging me not to call his 90-pound grandmother because she’ll give him a “whuppin’” The 90-pound grandmother telling me to just give him a whuppin’ in class! Often any time you go out of your way (a phone call, whatever) to express interest in a child, you are thanked and appreciated. Now I now teaching isn’t about being thanked and patted on the back, but it helps.

Note: In Danvers, we had:
– more drugs in the school (esp. Ecstacy – probably 30% of the freshman class showed up to their semi-formal on it! we found out later).
– more leaky ceilings (and the town voted against a tax increase to build a new building).
– more graffiti (including obscene language and gestures on the senior class advisor’s parking spot the Monday after the Senior Prom she had worked so hard to help them organize – along with dozens of other activities over 4 years)
– more smoking in the bathrooms (cigarettes are not as much part of the culture in the community I was in in Atlanta)
– more fires set (toilet paper rolls in bathroom, etc.)

And let me tell you, almost nothing the politicians suggest or promise will fix schools until parents support the teachers and make them do their work. The best suggestion perhaps is the money towards lowering class size. Teacher to student ratio is an incredibly influential factor. 13 - 18:1 is the best ratio (for English anyway). Testing never parallels what the type of learning the kids should be doing and usually the schools end up “teaching to the test” instead of branching out into more creative teaching paths.

Well, I know I’m kind of off topic. But the conversation is important – on both subjects.

CAH, while I was rambling on you provide a great post.

Thanks for the structure. Seems very logical to me.

Heidi, please tell more, or again, on this thread about your program thoughts.

I too had thought about the value of this in our remote desert area. We have the highest teen age pregnancy statics, I believe, in the country. We also have a high unemployment rate, and an “international” influence if you get my drift. I don’t want to take the lid off another can of worms.

I had looked up Kathy Kusner’s program on a website somewhere. Unfortunately, after many years she was still having trouble gaining funding. I thought if she has trouble raising support with her noteriety, what am I thinking.

Anyway, what other programs are out there? Do I sense a grass roots movement here? Maybe thought of on a national level.

Heidi, I am incredibly impressed with your ideas…I would definetly like to help with the start up of this foundation in any way I can!

I too, have had dreams of starting up a foundation of this type…however, I’m only a teenager and wouldn’t be in a position to do so for some time. I do have a lot of ideas, though, and would love to share them if you are interested. I live about an hour outside of Toronto, perhaps we could get together some time.

I think that perhaps the idea that the foundation would own top horses would be hard to handle…and a lot of expense between the times they are on loan to someone. But I am sure that there are many people out there with talented (and probably green) horses who would love to have a really good junior show them.

Also, I believe that there is more to offer these teens than just showing…shouldn’t “sponsorship” of them also encumpass (sp?) the winter months? Give them time to train the horse, work with a coach, and learn horse care. There is far too much emphasis today on the showing aspect of the horse world…I am sure many young kids would love to have a horse to work with over the winter. Anyone who wants to have a shot at becoming a top profesional has to be in it for the long haul, not just the 6 months a year they show.

Anyway, those are just some of my thoughts…let me know if you would like to talk sometime!

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Heidi, the idea of them bringing along a horse for a few years is a great one! Perhaps you’d also like to have some kids ride a different horse each year, to promote their “catch-riding skills”.

I agree that school is incredibly important for young people to focus on…but there are many young kids (including me) who train a horse during the winter while going to high school. I keep an above 95% average too- it can be done! I also think that as part of the “whole horse” education, maybe the kids should be required to join a pony club, at least for the 1st year. I was in pony club for 4 years, and it taught me TONS about horse care, stuff that many show riders today don’t get.

My e-mail is jnairn@sstsystems.net…I’ll be at the Royal 3 or 4 days this year, so I’ll run up to every woman I see, asking if they’re Heidi.

Cactuskate - yes, Arizona is known for gang related crime. The Phoenix Police Dept., in conjunction with the ATF, developed a national program called “Gang Resistance Education & Training” (GREAT) to teach kids about how to resist gang activities. This is the type of program that could easily be incorporated into an at risk riding program.

One of my old trainers (A GP show jumper who has a farm here in Keswick) has a program kind of like what Heidi described. Inner-city children come to the farm and are able to ride and learn about horses and just come to the farm as a haven from everything they have ever knwn back in the city. I have volunteered there and it’s a very neat experience because some of the kids have only seen horses on the television and thats so hard for me to understand because horses are, and have been, a huge part of my life forever. It makes you think how lucky you are to be in your position. If you want more information then maybe you should e-mail me with questions or I could direct you to someone at the foundation to speak with.

I have my master’s degree in education and this was one of my pet ideas. I have also taught in the inner city. I have strong feelings and ideas regarding a project like this. I’m surprised Kathy Kunser can’t get more funding.

Going out to the country is all very well and good, but the kids take it as “this is how the other half lives.” They don’t necessarily want to live like a bunch of white people. To suggest that is to be “culture-centric”. It also devalues their experience and environment. Not that a summer jaunt out to the country would be bad), but remember (from working at a Girl Scout camp in Atlanta) it’s an uphill battle – they don’t want to get dirty, are afraid of everything in the woods, dead afraid of horses – two weeks is a short amount of time to get over these hurdles to make a breakthrough. Keeping the program in the city, revalues their personal experiences and neighborhood. We shouldn’t move kids out of the neighborhood schools, but improve them instead. The program would be an extension of their school day, leaving at noon or so and working at the barn (and having a homework study hall there) – some of their classes would be conducted at the barn. Classes have been successfully conducted with content the kids have a vested interest in – some writing, reading, science, even history involving the horse program.

There would be a rewards program for passing levels of proficiency with the horses – both in horsemanship and riding.

It’s possible it could be a rehabilitation program for neglected horses and the kids nourish the horses and hopefully vice versa. There is much legitimate research on animal-assisted therapy that goes beyond physical therapy and into the mental theater.

Do a search on “Animal Assisted Therapy” – I can’t find my links now.

We are trying to do a somewhat similar thing in Charlotte, with regards to exposing inner city kids to nature, via preserving 100 acres of forest near a very bad middle school. It’s kind of a fight - many non- area parents want soccerfields for their middle class soccer leagues!
I think these kids often have never been outside their urban areas. It would do them good to see woods, horses, etc. on a regular basis. Apparently, when these kids get involved with this type of program, results are phenomanal!
Horses are a great idea ~ they are already used for therapy for the disabled with amazing results.

Just as an aside, I’d like to donate to Kusners program. At work we had a United Way program, and they made a good point - if you take $1.00 a week, and set it aside, you’ll have $52.00 to give in a year, and won’t notice. I’m going to go for $5.00 a week (the cost of 1 lunch out) save for a year and divide the money among charitys! Sounds like a painless way to help do some good! If everyone on the BB could set aside $1-$5 a week, we’d have a good bit of money to give to these programs- just a thought!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wave:
OK she said that perhaps these kids don’t want to “live like a bunch of white people”. OK maybe she just meant that where she is from the people who would be involved in this program are not white. I am more than sure that in Ontario at least there would be kids of all races that would benefit from this program. I guess what I am trying to say is I do not consider riding to be a sport that only white people participate in. I guess it just struck a nerve b/c I am half black half white, and I rarely see a non white face at a horse show or a tack shop! It made me wonder if other people think it is strange to se someone who is not caucasian on a horse! I know this is not what J Turner was saying! It just made me wonder. Please don’t take offense to this!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think J. Turner’s point was that taking, for example, black children into a white environment will erode their confidence and undermine their ‘sense of belonging’. I don’t disagree.

Wave, you do make a really important observation, though. White people may not consider riding a sport exclusively for white people but people who are visible minorities do. Despite my ‘name’, I’m not white either nor are my kids completely white - they’re half me. They are, however, usually the anomaly at a horse show. They’re young enough that they’ve not noticed but I have.

Until and unless we have a greater representation of the population I think equestrian sports will always be perceived as a white sport. That’s part of what I hope to address with the charity.

My (non-white) parents never considered riding as an ‘honourable’ pursuit - instead, I suffered through years of piano (YUCK!!), gymnastics, ballet, violin…I know many people of colour, who happen to have children, who happen to be very wealthy, and they also do not consider equestrian sports for their offspring, even after a generation.

BTW, there is nothing wrong with the fact that equestrian sports is dominated, through all levels, by white people (and in fact I’m uncomfortable referring to people by their skin colour) but if the expectation is that the sport becomes more ‘mass market’ (i.e. generates sponsorship, media coverage), race is an issue which needs to be addressed. It’s good for the sport, but most profoundly, it’s GREAT for the kids.

Horses don’t care about the race of the rider, let’s see what we can do about the perception of humans.

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Cactuskate, thanks for initiating the thread. First as background, my husband and I stumbled into the equine community several years ago on my (then) six year old’s insistence that she wanted to ride. Since then I have watched with awe, pride, oftentimes fear, as she has developed into a confident, fearless, dedicated and talented young rider. Our youngest attended his first show at 6 weeks and we have bought horses on the ‘infant litmus test’ - if we approached a horse with baby in arms and the horse remained stock still, ears pricked forward, nose thrust out to explore, we purchased it. He now, at 3, has expressed a desire to ride - albeit as his ambitions are great, he wants to ride a friend’s GP horse…

Overall, our family’s pursuit of equestrian sports has been a wonderfully enriching one. I have, however, been disillusioned and dismayed by many things in the community - first and foremost, the stink of elitism and as a consequence the fact that the sport is accessible mostly to the well-to-do. In our experience, this isn’t the case in Europe, where equestrian sports enjoy healthy sponsorhip and mass media coverage. Local shows are fun, rollicking affairs where the focal point of coversation isn’t someone’s trailer, horse or breeches. Yes, there’s elitism in Europe but it doesn’t approach the degree in North American. Let’s not go into the whys and howcomes here but I have concluded that the sport needs to be opened up and more children and young adults given the opportunities afforded to too few kids. Hopefully, what results, years down the road, is a more accessible sport representative of more of the North American population. I am encouraged BTW that there are trainers, organizations and individuals who have already initiated programs on a large and private scale.

In all likelihood our program will be a private Canadian foundation, structured to serve two related purposes:

  1. Send inner city kids 8-13, who have been deemed to be at risk, to horse camp for two weeks. Let the kids wake up to the smell of fresh hay, not urine in the stairwells; give them the chance to enjoy an environment where the loudest sounds are those of animals, not gunfire. And, of course, enable the kids to gain the confidence that a horse can inspire.

Here I stumble - doesn’t feel right to abandon the kids who want to pursue horses after two weeks at the camp - do we then pay for them to attend lessons, or do we scrap the idea of a camp altogether and just underwrite lessons for a group of kids. I like the idea of a camp because I think the experience would have a greater benefit, but then what do we do with the children who want to continue…anyone with ideas, post them please.

  1. Establish a ‘scholarship’ fund for talented kids 14-18 without the financial means to be more actively involved in the sport, via lessons, clinics, showing, and an exposure to the ‘business’ and marketing sides of the industry. My idea has been that the foundation would own several talented young horse (4-6) who would be assigned to a young rider, the horse/rider combo would then be placed in the barn of a trainer over a summer and all associated costs for the horse/showing would be underwritten. I know that many kids are already ‘enrolled’ with trainers as working students but am concerned at times, as someone else commented, that it constitutes indentured servitude. I’d like to hear from people who have served as working students - was the experience meaningful, did they feel exploited, would it be better if there was an umbrella foundation which paid for the out-of-pocket costs. While not all would end up as GP riders and pro trainers, the idea has been that perhaps it can lead to a career path not otherwise contemplated - i.e. farrier, vet, professional groom, equine masseuse…I’ve also thought it would be wonderful to send the best to ‘a summer’ abroad to show in Europe. But I’m probably getting ahead of myself here.

The obligation on the part of the recipient would be to remain in school at least through high school, maintaining good grades. I’ve seen too many working students abandon their education and the reality is that many will not succeed in the industry as a pro (what happens if they sustain an injury at 18?) and an education will at the least give them more options than those available to high school dropouts.

So the above, in a nutshell but long post, is the foundation, in some incarnation, I hope to launch in 18-24 months. I’m still undecided whether the foundation should maintain an active hands-on participation or serve as more of an administrative foundation/network which writes the checks. I’m sure over the intervening months there will be much debate and arguments - though I’m feeling quite debate-fit after my brief time on this board.

I emphatically believe that any of these ideas can be implemented at a grass roots level: perhaps riding camps can offer two kids each summer a ‘free vacation’; local trainers can adopt the eager, talent but financially strapped and offer free lessons, access to horses; perhaps local businesses can establish a fund each summer to sponsor a young rider’s show season; perhaps tack shops can donate equine apparel to one young rider who can only afford to show but can’t afford to keep up with the latest equine fashion trends. I’m sure there are many who are already doing this quietly and I applaud you for your efforts.

Anyone wishing to offer their ideas, please do so. I’ll keep all updated over the ensuing months.

Ok … my daughter is at USC, studying psychology. She rode from infancy til a nasty injury messed up her arm for a couple of years … doesn anyone have a phone number or web address for Kathy’s Horses in the Hood program? I can find a Kathy Kusner page, but no mention of the program - and Alison might be interested in volunteering or interning there.