Saw this on Charlie’s Facebook page yesterday, but didn’t think it was appropriate to share until it officially broke through some sort of press release.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/eve-jobs-purchases-chill-rz
wow
Good for her I guess…she’s a talented rider and if Charlie was looking to sell the horse he picked a good new home but it still makes me a little queazy each time one of these $$$$$$$ juniors buys someones top horse like this
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Good for her I guess…she’s a talented rider and if Charlie was looking to sell the horse he picked a good new home but it still makes me a little queazy each time one of these $$$$$$$ juniors buys someones top horse like this[/QUOTE]
Why? I hear this sentiment quite a bit, and I want to understand it. I understand if the horse is going to a bad home, but here the horse is going to a fantastic program with a very talented young rider.
yeah, CJ is a Pro from a family of Pros and selling them on is the point of the business. Plus its very expensive for a Pro to keep, transport and compete a horse on the elite international levels without partnerships.
Sounds like they found a perfect spot for Chill.
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Why? I hear this sentiment quite a bit, and I want to understand it. I understand if the horse is going to a bad home, but here the horse is going to a fantastic program with a very talented young rider.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think it’s necessarily about the happiness of the horse. I just end up wondering what the horses could do with a few more years as a pro horse – that’s one more very talented horse that could have been on a team. He was an alternate a couple times. Of course, the money from the sale will support bringing up Charlie’s next crop. It’s not a bad thing in this instance, but as a trend…if all the nice, scopey big jumpers end up in the hand of big money juniors/ammies, it thins the choices for the teams.
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I don’t think it’s necessarily about the happiness of the horse. I just end up wondering what the horses could do with a few more years as a pro horse – that’s one more very talented horse that could have been on a team. He was an alternate a couple times. Of course, the money from the sale will support bringing up Charlie’s next crop. It’s not a bad thing in this instance, but as a trend…if all the nice, scopey big jumpers end up in the hand of big money juniors/ammies, it thins the choices for the teams.[/QUOTE]
He was an alternate both times but didn’t make it and he wasn’t going to Rio and he’s 13, now is the time to sell while they can still get the big bucks for him. It sounds like he is going to a good home and it may even be a step down for him with an ammy rider, so life may be a bit easier. This is what the pros do, its their livelihood. Sounds like everyone, including the horse, benefits.
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I don’t think it’s necessarily about the happiness of the horse. I just end up wondering what the horses could do with a few more years as a pro horse – that’s one more very talented horse that could have been on a team. He was an alternate a couple times. Of course, the money from the sale will support bringing up Charlie’s next crop. It’s not a bad thing in this instance, but as a trend…if all the nice, scopey big jumpers end up in the hand of big money juniors/ammies, it thins the choices for the teams.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it’s this, Eve is a great rider and Chill will be very well taken care for, it is not about her in particular at all. I understand that it all makes sense on paper, he’s getting older, the money from his sale will hep charlie build up a new string, I get all of that. It just forces me to think again about how big of a factor having huge financial backing is these days for junior riders and sometimes their horse purchases seem a bit over the top, though like I said Eve is a great rider and she’ll do the horse justice. My gut feeling about queasiness is probably not rational…
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Yeah it’s this, Eve is a great rider and Chill will be very well taken care for, it is not about her in particular at all. I understand that it all makes sense on paper, he’s getting older, the money from his sale will hep charlie build up a new string, I get all of that. It just forces me to think again about how big of a factor having huge financial backing is these days for junior riders and sometimes their horse purchases seem a bit over the top, though like I said Eve is a great rider and she’ll do the horse justice. My gut feeling about queasiness is probably not rational…[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Not about this specific instance at all. Just means we as a country need more and more very rich, supportive owners who can afford (and have the desire) to say “no” when someone comes forward with big money to buy a horse out from potential team riders.
Um, who’s to say that Eve Jobs isn’t a potential team rider? Good Lord, the horse is even staying in the US. I’ll be very surprised if we don’t see her and folks like Jennifer Gates competing for us soon. Go Bay Area!*
Sounds like a great situation for all involved.
*ETA: Jennifer Gates isn’t Bay Area… more like, go tech!
I was just talking about this at the GCT last weekend - do you think Eve Jobs and Jennifer Gates are friends or rivals? :lol:
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Um, who’s to say that Eve Jobs isn’t a potential team rider? Good Lord, the horse is even staying in the US. I’ll be very surprised if we don’t see her and folks like Jennifer Gates competing for us soon. Go Bay Area!*
Sounds like a great situation for all involved.
*ETA: Jennifer Gates isn’t Bay Area… more like, go tech![/QUOTE]
:lol: I agree! I do think it would be nice to see the owners who have the ability to fund their children with tip top horses spread the love to the Vetrans who are already playing that game now though, and deepen the potential roster that we have, but it’s their money and I have no idea what it is to have that kind of dough so…
I saw Eve ride in the Maclay regional at Blenheim last fall and while she had an unfortunate big Oops (2 in a 1) towards the beginning of her course, I actually loved her round other then that! She stood out to me in terms of creating and maintaining a lovely feel and flow (Minus the brain fart moment :-P). It would be exiciting to see her her grow to become a team competeitor.
They often do though. Jennifer Gates has horses for Hardin Towell, Katie Dinan had horses for Mclain, Paris Sellon has horses for Lauren Hough, Megan Nusz had horses for Kent Farrington…I could go on
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:lol: I agree! I do think it would be nice to see the owners who have the ability to fund their children with tip top horses spread the love to the Vetrans who are already playing that game now though, and deepen the potential roster that we have, but it’s their money and I have no idea what it is to have that kind of dough so… [/QUOTE]
The Gates are doing this with Hardin in a big way - he may not be on the level of McClain, Beezie and Kent (who all have excellent and dedicated owners and deep strings of horses), but he’ll start to show up on teams soon.
Out of curiosity, which top riders do you see as being in need of top owners and more funding? And if you could create a program like they have in Holland (where the government locks up certain quality horses from being sold out of Holland), which horse sales in the past couple years would you have prevented? If anything, I feel like quality is flowing from other countries to the US - yes, many of these sales are going to younger, less experienced riders, but not all.
On the subject of Chill, that horse’s team days were done - he’ll will be 15-17 when the next championship circuit comes around, which is feasible, but also on the outer limits of an age to be competitive in a major championship. I feel like if anything it benefits our team for him to provide his experience to a younger rider who appears to have the financial backing and natural talent to be a real team contributor down the road. She needs (as does almost everyone) horses like Chill who have done it all to get her there.
She also has Sandor de la Pomme and had good placings with him in the LGCT 1.45 this past week. Good for her buying up experienced horses who can take her where she wants to go. If you’ve got the funding and you’ve got the ability, why not?
I watched her ride in the GM horsemaster thing at the beginning of WEF and she looked like a lovely rider. Good for her.
Since somebody else implied it, many times these horses are topped out and not going any farther then where they are with the Pro and are not quite the uber elite level. Finding a Junior or young AO looking for what you might call an elite level schoolmaster so they can move up from where they are is a win win. Horse can be a star and so can new rider who can continue to move on up the ladder to another.
Not sure some realize what it costs to campaign an International horse. Even for rich people. Seriously persuing the GP circuit just in this country is jaw droppingly expensive to the point Pros need partners and partners need and want a return in investment that might include sale of the horse. Or they need the money, or a partner wants out and they can’t afford to buy them out, it’s a business. CJ isn’t getting all the proceeds, the partners split it as defined in the contract.
Even if I were uber rich, I think I’d prefer to finance my kids under the guidence of a Pro rather then finance the career of an elite level International horse exclusively under the Pro. And avoid partnerships in horses.
BayAreaEq is entitled to his/her feelings, you know. If you don’t agree with them, that’s OK.
Being respectful and acknowledging of them goes a long way. In fact, it goes the whole way…
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BayAreaEq is entitled to his/her feelings, you know. If you don’t agree with them, that’s OK.
Being respectful and acknowledging of them goes a long way. In fact, it goes the whole way…[/QUOTE]
I don’t think anyone has been disrespectful, and I expressed some of the same initial feelings as BAE. Actually, I really appreciated the responses – they gave me some insight on the other perspective, which I hadn’t really thought of before. I did know Eve had done some pretty big jumper classes, but this discussion prompted me to go watch one or two rounds on YouTube. So thanks, all, for reminding me that these juniors may just make up part of the team someday. ;D
I think that horse has reached the point where it wasn’t going to be any better than it was, and what it was was only ever borderline for the BIG BIG stage. They’re the toughest ones, I think, the ones that knock on the door of being bigtime but never really get over that threshold. Given the horse’s age and accomplishments, it was easily the time to sell and it sounds like it sold to someone with the skill/capability to really take advantage of the horse’s talent. Can’t ask for much more than that!
That’s too big a price tag for the Jaynes to turn down. Well done Charlie. Raise another one and sell it for the big bucks. It’s tough to develop a great horse and watch them walk up the ramp on the truck to a new job, but seeing that deposit in the money market account is A Good Thing.
