Chronic Muscle Soreness in 3.5 YR Old WWYD

3.5 OTTB Mare
Raced once 08/2019 ending with a R knee slab fracture which was surgically fixed and rehabbed by adoption program.
Sat in field with basic care until 07/27/2020 when she came to me (IL) from PA.
On 24/7 turnout except storms due to a lack of shelter (she is then in a 12x12 mated stall).
Free choice alfalfa hay in slow feed net to prevent waste.
3.5-4lbs of Coolstance per day
1 serving KIS Trace
Iodized salt
1.3 cups chia/ day
1 serving copper and zinc/ day

In very light “work” mostly mental training - 10-15 min ground driving sessions, short lunging sessions at W/T and short rides.

Seen 2 weeks ago by chiropractor who remarked she was the tensest horse he’s ever worked on. Very “out” on the right side of her body. Seen today by massage therapist, again remarking on the incredible amount of tension, not able to finish working right side and not able to work as “deep” as she wanted (per MT).

She is on day 25 or so of Nexium, finished her bag of MagRestore today, and started THE’s GastroPlus yesterday for suspected hind gut issues/ added protection while using Nexium.

My next thoughts are to pull blood for CBC/ Chemistry (mainly interested in Vit E and SE), test for Lyme and test for EPM. Any thing else I should be trying/ investigating??

I’m just so thrown that a horse this young with “few miles” would be this body sore, especially after almost a year off in a field.

Hi, I work in the TB industry, am a massage therapist, and have OTTBs myself. So, I have some history with TBs.

Most TBs are much stiffer on the right side of their body than the left. In most programs, they are never asked to do much of anything to the right. She may not be doing much now, but you have 2+ years of muscle memory to overcome.

In addition, as you’ve already mentioned, hind gut ulcers can make them a bit odd on the right side.

To make your current treatments more successful, I would have the massage therapist work on the horse in the days or week before the chiro. The massage therapist will loosen the horse up and help make alignment changes easier and hold better as the tense muscles will be pulling the horse out of alignment otherwise.

Vitamin E and Selenium testing is a good idea, but are separate tests from CBC and Chemistry. Unless the horse is showing other neuro or lameness signs, I would skip the Lyme and EPM testing now in favor of xraying the back. Most horses have had some exposure to EPM and will have equivocal blood tests. You don’t really want to do a CSF tap without good reason.

In all honesty, if this were my horse (and this were the only issue), I would just keep up with the body work, and give her a bit more time.

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Is there any residual pain from the knee injury? I have a horse I’ve owned since a yearling, he has hock issues had it fused at 2, was sound to be broke and ridden for a few months but I just chucked him out because he’s just nqr and doesn’t want to be ridden even if the vet says he appears sound. He is very tense in his body and doesn’t tolerate body work or massage. I really think it has to do with dealing with on and off chronic pain. When you do bodywork or massage you’re making them acknowledge a tense area that their brain has tried very hard to “forget” in order to continue their day without feeling in pain. It’s one of the downsides of prey animals, they need to ignore and hide pain as long as possible. I had a previous horse with chronic lyme and they wouldn’t even work on him until he was fully 100% past treatment because it can make them more painful to try and work through the tenseness and soreness when the underlying cause isn’t treated/gone.

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She flexed sound and received the “go ahead” with clean xrays (clean not including the hardware of course) of that leg in July during her PPE and hasn’t had any incident since, but I’m sure it’s not completely out of the question.

It might just be residual from healing from that injury. If you can have chiro/bodywork/massage done enough to get her past the tenseness she might not need that much work again.

So, I am not entirely sure it’s necessary, but I’m going to zip my flame suit for this one.

When someone tells me they “rehabbed” a horse from an injury, I rarely take anything they say at face value. Here’s why:

If you consider the anatomy of an injury in a HUMAN - forget the horse for a moment - you have several phases. You have the traumatic event that precipitates the injury. You have the reaction phase in which there may or not be much pain or immobility but there’s certainly changes happening in the injury site as the body reacts to the injury. You then have regeneration phase, where the body is starting to do things like create scar tissue, repair nerve damage, etc. You then have the remodeling phase, where the body has done what it needs to do to heal the injured area but where the human is still actively working on things like correcting faulty body mechanics, strengthening weakened areas, reducing chronic tension in the affected areas, etc.

Most people are pretty good at the reaction and regeneration phases because we don’t really have to do much for these. We take some pain medication, limit activities that cause the area further problems and allow our bodies to do what they do.

Most people are pretty awful at the restoration phase, and yet it is the most important phase to avoid long-term issues after injury. This is where you do things like physical therapy, strengthening, scar tissue mobilization, manual work, etc to make sure that you RESTORE the area to full function.

So now imagine a horse that has a traumatic injury. We as the handlers are pretty good at the first two phases: we do stall rest, manual therapies, Bute, etc. But once again, we’re pretty bad at the third phase. On top of that, we’re dealing with an animal that is going to do everything it can to avoid pain and discomfort and is really, really good at developing compensatory patterns to do so. Those animals aren’t going to change whatever habits they developed during the first two phases of the injury on their own. They need a handler or rider to, over time, break down those compensations and show the horse the path to fully restored function.

That third phase for horses has every bit to do with how they are worked. Most people think of “work” in increments of gait, i.e. we hand-walk, then we tack walk, then we start introducing trot sets, then we introduce canter, etc. But what is so much more important is HOW the horse is being asked to move during all this: it’s not enough to walk if the walk is crooked and the horse is loading one hock more than the other. It’s not enough to trot if the horse isn’t being asked to swing through each side of his body equally. And this mare, from the sounds of it, has gotten little to no work. So she has been left entirely to her own devices after the knee injury to carry herself however she saw fit. She’s starting the restoration phase, essentially.

So yes, I’d expect she’d be right side sore/tense. She’s been guarding that right knee for over a year. She’s developed compensations to protect herself and those compensations don’t disappear just because the injured site has healed. She needs slow, consistent work to break down those patterns and re-teach her how to carry herself so that she doesn’t end up with excessive wear and tear in other areas that have been doing more than their fair share of the work.

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No flame suit, and 100% necessary for all the reasons you listed

I know enough about rehabbing injuries to know there’s a lot more to it than just “he’s not lame anymore”, and also enough to know that having eyes on the ground, eyes way more educated than I, to see, and tell me so I can feel, when things are crooked or uneven (which does not always present as “lame”), is invaluable.

Most people have not gone through a proper rehab from their own even minor injuries, which leads to subtle (or not so subtle) imbalances in movement that just compound over time, leading to another injury from compensation, and it spirals. This means they can’t possibly understand what it takes for a horse who can’t stay off the leg, or be told “every step you take in the pasture you need to be sure you’re walking evenly”, to return to full functionality. And that even assumes you started with a symmetrical horse in the first place :laughing:

I’m really glad you brought that up, and in such detail. Every single owner needs to read it.

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A big amen to everything @Abbie.S said up there!

Also just wanted to touch on your comment about being so sore “this young with few miles”. While I understand you mean there aren’t years of wear and tear and the effects of ageing, don’t discount that plenty could have happened to her even in a short life (heck, birth itself is one of the most traumatic things a body can go through). Especially as a young TB, even without a bunch of starts, she still went through workouts, training, backing as a late yearling, possibly sales prep, etc. I don’t mean this as a slag against the race industry. It’s just to point out that there is more opportunity for some unfavourable patterns to develop than you might think if you just think “average 3 year old”.

In any case, the job of you and your team isn’t to find out “where” in her short life things went awry. Look at the horse in front of you and what you can do to make her feel better. It sounds like you are doing this, involving the vet to look for underlying causes, getting the bodywork, and building up the work gradually. Keep up the good work. Just know, while you may find one thing that precedes it all, more likely it will be like peeling layers of an onion, with some ups and downs along the way.

Sorry I know you were looking for specific diagnostics, conditions, etc and this is all a bit philosophical. I’ll blame social distancing and too much time for deep thoughts :wink:

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Agree with what has been said above. But also want to chime in - some horses are more sensitive than others. My TB mare doesn’t even like to be groomed. I’m sure a massage therapist would find her to be extremely sensitive compared to other horses. My paint and WB mares love grooming and you can’t brush them hard enough in their opinion - but the same treatment on my TB would send her into the next county.

So, I would take the massage therapists comments with some caution - she may be body sore, or she may be sensitive. As you bring her into work, I would pay attention to how she goes in training. Is the chiro a vet as well? I’d be curious if a vet found the horse “out” - which is hard to know what that mean - or just stiff in one direction than the other.

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Sore feet can also cause an incredible amount of body soreness so I would have her checked for foot soreness as well.

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I’ll echo the suggestion about her feet. Even if they aren’t sore, are they in good shape? Are her angles correct? Any issues…especially with the hind feet?

I ask because after having the same farrier for almost 30 year, and my current gelding never having anyone else do his feet in his entire life, I finally switched to my new barn’s barefoot trimmer. My horse had been suffering from terrible back pain and spasms that were not only making him uncomfortable, but also making him crazy. I have done several things to address his issues including Magnesium (he gets his via SmartCalm Ultra…10,000mg worth), a change of saddle (bought him a new one that didn’t work for him…so bought him another one that he does like), chiro/accupuncture, and exercises to strengthen his back.

But the thing that I truly believe has made the most difference is the new barefoot trimmer. His feet are SO much better now, and she explained how the angles of his hind feet were way off and causing a lot of strain on his lower back. He’s a horse that is stoic and tries no matter what, and he was wrecking his back trying to be a good boy in pretty crappy circumstances that I wasn’t even aware of.

The other thing I’ll say is it takes time. Keep up with the magnesium. Read up on nutrition and supplements that could be tweaked to help her. Keep working her slowly and easily to help her build strength. She’s gone from a fractured knee to your new horse in just over a year’s time. It will take longer than that to get her past her…past…and comfortably transitioned into her new life and future.

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Thank you all! Lots of fantastic points made.
Re her feet they are “okay” - nothing terrible, but we are still working to tweak and improve them. She’s been seen by my barefoot trimmer/ therapeutic shoer (my other horse is a mess) 3 times now and we’ve made some improvement. I can also see better, tighter growth coming in (about 1/3 of the way down her hoof so far). In the mean time she’s got scoot boots in the front and I have an order of Hoof Armor en route. The chiropractor came again today and said that while she isn’t what he would consider “normal”, she was much improved. He is both a human chiropractor and equine, though not a vet. I am debating ordering the SmartCalm Ultra, not for the supposed calming effects, but since it has more Mag and has B vitamins which I’ve read can cause similar issues if deficient (though deficiency is not likely in B vitamins). And lastly, I am trying to come up with a plan to get her working properly in hand/ on the ground and engaging her hind end before going back to ridden work.

@kaya842 I’ve been super impressed with Smart Calm Ultra for my gelding. He was never what I’d consider a candidate for a “calming” supplement (and I’ve owned him for 11 of his 12 years), but when his back started giving him trouble, he literally turned into a different horse. He was darn near impossible to manage in the barn, which is the place I believe he equated with his back pain. He became spookier and super tense when ridden too, when he’d always been practically bombproof.

The chiro (who is also a vet) suggest MagRestore when she worked on him the first time (he was a nervous, uptight, tense mess the whole time). I already had SmartCalm Ultra, which I hadn’t started feeding him yet, and since it was loaded with magnesium I gave it a try. Within maybe a week and a half he was already improved. He continued improving steadily while I started addressing other issues (saddle and feet). Now he’s back to his unflappable, dependable, happy self. There was a show at the barn Sunday, and even with dozens of strange horses and trailers, cars all around the arena, flowers, plants, tables, and signs everywhere that aren’t usually there, he acted like nothing was different. Went up there and went to work like he always does, completely oblivious to the show stuff going on around him. (We showed too and did really well).

To look at him and be around him now, as well as before his back issues, no one would think he’s a horse that needs a “calming” supplement. He doesn’t. But I believe magnesium does him a world of good, and he’ll stay on it forever as far as I’m concerned. It’s certainly not hurting him.

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Just for grins… I would have the trimmer or farrier check her with the hoof testers to see if she’s sore anywhere.

When you’re dealing with an issue like this always start at the bottom and work your way up. How is her hoof balance? Even if she’s not foot sore, low to negative palmar/plantar angles can make them body sore as well. If she’s thin soled, she’s probably foot sore so I would be using pads in the boots as well.

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What about the idea of trying some Devil’s Claw to calm down any inflammation she may have? I use Uckele’s Devil’s Claw Plus to help my older arthritic mare and she gets around well as long as she’s on it. It may work to help her release at least some of the tension.

Updating that she ended up testing positive for both Lyme and EPM. She begins treatment soon.

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Jingles for a complete recovery