Coliform bacteria in well water... OK for horses?

So we’ve made an offer on a property, which has two wells. One good well for the house, and another older, “dry well” connected to the barn, which the sellers say is fine for animals, “it just has coliform bacteria”.

I’m going to ask the inspector about this, and get the water tested, and I’m trying to educate myself on what this might mean. A lot of the information I’m finding online is sort of murky as to whether or not this is a problem.

My gut feeling is that if the water isn’t good enough for me to drink, it’s not good enough for the Poopsies to drink…:no: and so we may have to try having the well “shocked”, or reconfigure the pumps and stuff to take the horse water from the “good” well.

Any experiences with this?

I don’t know for sure, but it may be okay. It’s very easy to shock a well, and I’d definitely try that first. Also look for any areas where insects or anything else could get into the well casing - that’s how you get reinfections of coliform.

I had to have the well tested in the house I sold and the house I purchased. Both wells tested positive for Choliform (sp?) bacteria. I freaked thinking that meant “Cholera” which is a disease that killed LOTS of early settlers. Nope, different bacteria, and apparently no big deal at all.

Both wells were shocked with a gallon of Chlorox, and retested clean.

No biggie.

Ever seen where horses stick their noses and manage to survive?

Coming from the pasture to the pens, we had a low spot develop by the gate and when it rained, horses would stop and drink there, then walk over and drink some more from the clean, nice troughs.
We filled the hole, but honestly, horses, that pothole water was wet, sure, but it was very nasty water!

If you have a water source that is not clean and can’t keep it clean, there may be some way it keeps getting contaminated.
Your well man needs to address that.
A friend had to abandon one such well, that was below some cattle pens and somehow may have been getting contaminated from those.

He dug a new well and that one was tight and clean and always tested fine.

As for using that for horse water, see what your vet tells you, but I would not, just in case, if you can find a clean source.

Horses love doo doo water.
I boarded at a barn where one of the pastures had a hollow that would fill up every time it rained.
When the horses got turned out they bypassed the water trough (it was clean) and go straight for the doo doo water. I guess they liked the piquant flavor of mosquito larvae.
I call it doo doo water cause that was a favorite poop spot when it was dry. It never seemed to cause any problems.

Shocking a well is no big deal whatsoever.

Add bleach to your well water. Dump a gallon of bleach into the well. Horses can get diarrhea from bad well water.

According to information I’ve read regarding coliform bacteria in a well, it stated that if coliform is detectable in the testing, then it is fairly recent contamination and it’s important to find the source of contamination rather than simply shocking the well.

I would try to figure out if there’s fecal/sewage leaking either human or aniimal feces otherwise it will re-contaminate the well.

If you plan to use this well in the future, maybe some sleuthing to determine
if your septic system or other cause is the root of the problem.

Coliform means fecal bacteria. There are different tests for human coliforms vs general. Coliforms being present means recent or prolonged fecal contamination. It can be neutral–for example, E. coli is 99% non-harmful and ubiquitous, we all have millions/billions of them in our gut. The problem is when you get a virulent strain, it doesn’t test any differently unless you go into quite a bit of testing.

I would say if you know of the problem, treat the well and then re-test at a later date. It would also behoove you to figure out where the contamination is coming from, if you can. Contamination from your septic system? Runoff from local cattle farm? (That would give me pause, that can be a hotbed of both virulent and drug resistant strains of many species…ex) Salmonella spp.

^ Respectfully, this is not correct. I’m an environmental scientist and regularly test wells as a part of my job. I am in Canada, so the testing practices/terminology may be different, but there’s 3 types of coliform that we test for here:

E.coli, which is very very harmful (not 99% harmless) and caused some big problems in the town of Walkerton a few years ago: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/inside-walkerton-canada-s-worst-ever-e-coli-contamination-1.887200

Faecal coliform, which can be present when surface (rain) water can get into a well and brings animal waste with it. Also bad.

And total coliform, which is basically all bacteria, bad or harmless. When we take a water sample we have to be careful not to touch the inside of the bottle or the cap because just a touch can result in a high total coliform result from general bacteria on our hands, not harmful.

To the OP, I see that you will be getting the water tested, so I just wanted to let you know that there are different types of coliform. Once you know what type you are dealing with you will be able to make a better decision. And as others have said already, it’s really simple to shock the well with bleach to fix it.

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^ Respectfully, this is not correct. I’m an environmental scientist and regularly test wells as a part of my job. I am in Canada, so the testing practices/terminology may be different, but there’s 3 types of coliform that we test for here:

E.coli, which is very very harmful (not 99% harmless) and caused some big problems in the town of Walkerton a few years ago: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/inside-walkerton-canada-s-worst-ever-e-coli-contamination-1.887200

Faecal coliform, which can be present when surface (rain) water can get into a well and brings animal waste with it. Also bad.

And total coliform, which is basically all bacteria, bad or harmless. When we take a water sample we have to be careful not to touch the inside of the bottle or the cap because just a touch can result in a high total coliform result from general bacteria on our hands, not harmful.

To the OP, I see that you will be getting the water tested, so I just wanted to let you know that there are different types of coliform. Once you know what type you are dealing with you will be able to make a better decision. And as others have said already, it’s really simple to shock the well with bleach to fix it.[/QUOTE]

Escherichia coli:

"Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria normally live in the intestines of people and animals. Most E. coli are harmless and actually are an important part of a healthy human intestinal tract. However, some E. coli are pathogenic, meaning they can cause illness, either diarrhea or illness outside of the intestinal tract. The types of E. coli that can cause diarrhea can be transmitted through contaminated water or food, or through contact with animals or persons.

E. coli consists of a diverse group of bacteria. Pathogenic E. coli strains are categorized into pathotypes. Six pathotypes are associated with diarrhea and collectively are referred to as diarrheagenic E. coli." (Pathotypes being STEC, ETEC, EPEC, EAEC, EIEC, and DAEC.) And frankly, I think it’s irresponsible and potentially dangerous to insinuate that all E. coli is harmful. It has a very important and generally symbiotic role in the gut, even conveying resistance to pathogens by outcompeting them for resources. (Obviously, as with many bacteria, there are pathogenic strains, ranging from a nuisance to truly dangerous, but it’s important to realize that these truly are the minority of the species.)
http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/general/index.html

And again, coliform presence is an indicator used to determine contamination with generally fecal matter. You can get coliform plates or Petrifilms, on which a variety of harmless bacteria can grow, the only qualifying positive result is a colony with attached air bubble. There are other media selective for E. coli coliforms, as well as a variety of selective and differential media to determine the pathogenicity, or lack there of, of an E. coli cultured.

Coliforms are defined by the FDA-BAM as Gram-negative rods which produce acid and gas from lactose during metabolic fermentation. There are innumerable environmental bacteria which do not remotely fit these characteristics.

And finally, as you’ll note from my previous post, I advised the OP to treat her well, as even though the presence of coliforms does not guarantee presence of pathogens, it does indicate fecal contamination, and without more testing, there is no way to know of what type. They are often referred to as “indicator organisms.”

If you have coliform bacteria (but NOT e. coli) then you likely just have a biofilm build up in the well or plumbing (think like the slime build up in the bottom of a water trough). Shocking the well can help but you will may need to run a lot of water to get the taste out of the water before your horses may drink it. I wouldn’t really worry about coliform bacteria for horses much, they are likely getting much worse when they nibble hay off the ground where there has been manure in the past