collar & hames for a pony?

RAR - If you start simple - like an inexpensive harness with a breast collar - you can get your training underway and then start planning for the neck collar. You really need to have your pony driving, have the carriage, etc. The neck collar can come last. No hurry. Have you found a place that can sell you a nice, inexpensive, yet good quality harness? Have you started hat shopping yet? That’s very important and you should start now. You need not one, not two, but perhaps three or five or perhaps a whole closet full of hats - one for any and all driving occasion and/or season. Hat shopping, and wearing said hats on all carriage drives and outings, rates mega high on my list!

Gail is adorable!!! She has the sweetest look! And how much fun you had on the drive seeing how responsive and smooth driving can be with a good horse in the shafts. :slight_smile:

bfz - I’m the Queen of taming unruly pony manes! I feel your pain - thick pony mohawks are enough to make one wring one’s hands and cry unconsolable tears of anguish. My only solution - that I ever found that really worked - in going from mohawk to hunter is: tiny bits of mane pulled from the underside every.single.day. Or use a mane blade underneath right at the crest. Every day, without fail.On the really hard-core long flowing wild manes I employ those razor blade mane combs using a feathering technique to shorten the upper hairs. Then use a pulling comb to thin out the underneath. When you have 4 to do (1 retired) - and two HAVE to be foxhunter short because you, well, foxhunt - AND having your own groom is someone else’s luxury, not yours - shortcuts that work, and mimic the classic pulled mane, can be your friend! Sadly, I’ve never found the training braids to work on anything other than a thin mane! Have fun at the NC show!

I think first you need to define your purpose with the pony. What exactly are you going to be doing with it driving wise? Just toodle down the roads? Hit the trails? Have something fancy for parades? Maybe a pleasure show? Think marathon looks fun? etc…

At that point, go for the harness that suits the purpose. A nice, well made pleasure harness will be very multipurpose for you. It will shine up for pleasure shows or parades, but be durable for going down the trail. Then you get to look at, do you want leather or bio. There are pros and cons to both, but both are widely used. There is a sway towards bio lately, it’s so darn easy to maintain… But leather is nice and if you plan on doing more pleasure show type stuff, then leather might be your best bet.

I’m not a fan of the “draft” harness with all the metal bits. For me, it’s kinda tacky. I love it at the draft shows in the bigger hitches, but for every day or pleasure shows, eh. I dont even like it on the commercial carriages. But i guess it’s because i go more towards pleasure show and love antique vehicles with all the patent and the sleek harnesses to match… :wink:

So your first goal. Define the role of your driving pursuit. It’s a blast, dont give it up! Keep the ball rolling. :wink: Is there a local driving club you can attend a meeting or two? Check out the AZ driving club…
http://www.azcarriage.org/

Lots of links to go through, maybe another local driving person that does pleasure or CDEs to get a taste of more driving? Maybe you can volunteer at a couple of their events and get your feet wet?

It’s really easy to get into driving thinking you’ll just be driving down the road… Then really get bit by the bug and want to do it all! My first harness/carts were bought to go down the road… I’ve since then spent thousands up grading to what i really want because i changed my mind and find driving down the road to be terribly boring… :wink: It’s just fine to change your mind, but it would have saved me a lot of money if i would have bought this stuff in the first place rather than lose money on what i bought to start out…

[QUOTE=R Holyoak;6236972]
Might I suggest the book Understanding Harness by Barb Lee.

It is worth every nickle as she was a fantastic harness maker and innovator.

http://www.wildhorsebooks.com/harness.htm[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the recommendation - just ordered this from Amazon.

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I think first you need to define your purpose with the pony. What exactly are you going to be doing with it driving wise? Just toodle down the roads? Hit the trails? Have something fancy for parades? Maybe a pleasure show? Think marathon looks fun? etc…[/QUOTE]

That’s a very good question :wink:

Not planning on any parades. Probably just toodling along on the roads, but the roads I’m talking about are mostly dirt roads that can be pretty uneven in places, and are occasionally crossed by sandy washes. So I suppose it’s more like driving on trails. Or maybe not…

I’m pretty sure I’m going to need non-pneumatic tires. I used to have pneumatic tires on my muck cart, and they were forever going flat. And I never took that off the property. Whole lotta poky stuff here in Arizona!

Realistically, I’m not likely to be driving more than once or twice a week. Probably more like once. I have 2 saddle horses that I also need to keep busy. Of course, I’ll be retiring in 75 days <wild celebration> so I should have more time for the horses.

Another challenge with collars for minis and small ponies – the collar that fits their neck may not fit over their head if they have wide-set eyes or short, broad head. Even turned upside-down for maximum width, a non-hinged collar is often too narrow to go over the eyes.

The only way I would consider a collar would be if it were custom-fit in person (or is that in horse?).

Have you looked at the Freedom Collar, Comfy-Fit Deluxe, or Country Carriage’s Deep V? (They all are very similar and work on the same principle.) These free up the shoulder and have an option that allows different angles of draft. Up this way, all the stylin’ ponies are “sporting” them.

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Have you looked at the Freedom Collar, Comfy-Fit Deluxe, or Country Carriage’s Deep V? (They all are very similar and work on the same principle.) These free up the shoulder and have an option that allows different angles of draft. Up this way, all the stylin’ ponies are “sporting” them.[/QUOTE]
I was looking at the Comfy-Fit page on Chimacum’s page the other day. I believe that FarmWife (didgery) was pleased with the Chimacum harness that she got for Fenway.

I like the looks of that harness, but… what do I know?

Looking for parts for my harness, I found this one, and it looked very nice for the price. My daily harness is a Driving Essentials and I couldn’t be happier with it, Jan is wonderful to work with.

http://www.drivingessentials.com/harness_synth_mini.php

What the hell??^^ Nothing but a junkyard of jumbled nonsense. <shaking head> It hurt my head just trying to make any sense of it. Stupid spammers.

Wish i had the funds for collars Marjean, i would borrow your collar measuring tool, but i’m strapped, no more equipment for me this year, or next! Thanks for the tip on Jimmy Parlier for transport btw, he’s picking up my cob pony in OK next week. :slight_smile:

I would NEVER use J Parlier again as my horse was and still injured from his transport. PLUS: “James Lee Parlier Jr, DBA: Parlier Trucking Co 5668 King Wilkinson Rd Denver, NC 28037 Ph # 704-477-6061 MC# 316590 US-DOT # 613581 According to FMCSA he does not have any insurance on file so his authority has been revoked and he should not be hauling for hire. And his US-DOT number is showing NOT AUTHORIZED So he is running illegally while hauling horses for payment.” so you are on your own when something happens as he will deny he even shipped your horse.
Sorry for the total thread hijack here… ;)[/QUOTE]

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The choice of collar and hames vs breast collar harness depends greatly on the vehicle you intend to use. The goal should be to achieve the best angle of draft for your horse or pony. A good article on this subject is: http://204.101.242.56/pdf/BalancedDraught.pdf[/QUOTE]

Where the like button? For some reason people do not get this concept.

Me personally- I’d stay away from farm hames (sticking up with the balls and all the extra rings) and go with a more streamlined pleasure harness. If you are doing farm work or pulling contests with your ponies that would be one thing- but if it’s just for a meadowbrook- I think it looks a little like putting mud tires on a minivan.