Anyone else listen to KOC’s commentary and think that these “lists” sound like the “popular kids” in junior high school?
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I take this back. Shiraz did do well in all three phases! I am curious about how she may be doing things differently in the dressage training now… ???
Colleen is one of my “heroes,” and especially so given that she has not gone over the Europe to acquire a string of horses. She bred CR and I am almost certain that Shiraz is American bred. She has also gotten consistently better and better with a string of horses.
Has anyone trained with her? Several years ago, I was in Wofford group lessons with Colleen and I loved the way she had her horses so correct.[/QUOTE]
Shiraz is off the track, I assumes an American one.
Shiraz raced at Penn National.
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I take this back. Shiraz did do well in all three phases! I am curious about how she may be doing things differently in the dressage training now… ??? [/QUOTE]
I recall her stating after their last major competition she wasn’t going to compete Shiraz for a while under his dressage improved. Seems to have worked!
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Shiraz raced at Penn National.[/QUOTE]
Do you know his JC name by chance?
His name was Bold and Burley. He was found by my friend, Brooks VonNieda. She tried to make him a hunter when she worked for Tony Workman. Shiraz seemed to have other ideas.
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I take this back. Shiraz did do well in all three phases! I am curious about how she may be doing things differently in the dressage training now… ???
Colleen is one of my “heroes,” and especially so given that she has not gone over the Europe to acquire a string of horses. She bred CR and I am almost certain that Shiraz is American bred. She has also gotten consistently better and better with a string of horses.
Has anyone trained with her? Several years ago, I was in Wofford group lessons with Colleen and I loved the way she had her horses so correct.[/QUOTE]
Learning to work with a horse that is difficult in the dressage may feel like hitting your head against the wall, but man, it is great training for the rider.
I too just loved watching her and Shiraz jump around XC. Gorgeous, fantastic round - everything we love to see in an event ride.
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His name was Bold and Burley. He was found by my friend, Brooks VonNieda. She tried to make him a hunter when she worked for Tony Workman. Shiraz seemed to have other ideas.[/QUOTE]
Just a fun fact. When B and B won his last race (only one of two) he paid 99.80 to win!
And very nice pedigree for sport http://www.pedigreequery.com/bold+and+burley
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Just a fun fact. When B and B won his last race (only one of two) he paid 99.80 to win!
And very nice pedigree for sport http://www.pedigreequery.com/bold+and+burley[/QUOTE]
Someone with credentials should add in the information about his eventing career! That is a nice pedigree.
Bold and Burghley is more like it.
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Wow I had NO idea, that pedigree. You don’t see those names on any 5 G paper anymore! Rock and roll dude. :yes:
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I recall her stating after their last major competition she wasn’t going to compete Shiraz for a while under his dressage improved. Seems to have worked![/QUOTE]
I will preface this by saying i think colleen is an amazing rider and horsewoman. I would not hesitate to send a horse to her for a second.
That being said, Shiraz finished dressage with score was a 60, which is not significantly better than his historical performances at this level. He was tied for 49th and moved up because he is flat out amazing in the jumping phases. This isn’t really a horse you can put on a team, unfortunately. Having a horse that is amazing on course but miserable in the sandbox, I can completely sympathize and please understand i’m not trashing her at all. She does a fantastic job with what she has. And what a riding lesson to watch them on XC… wow.
I am over the moon for her about Covert Rights. He laid down a world class test and he’s so very young yet. I strongly feel this will be her world-beater. I can’t wait to see how he matures… he’s so young and so good already.
I don’t know…finishing on a 60 is a lot better than finishing with a letter…or over 100pps…which many team members frequently do. So I think yes, you can put him on a team.
Yes to me he was the horse you put on a team to be the trail blazer…know that you will get a number score and hope it was the drop score. I also think his dressage is much improved but going first on Thusday adds an easy 5 to your score plus the 2 for an error…and she would have had a low 50 score. Will that win…not likely…but possibly to be a top 20 score which she has been.
But to me, they should have been named to a training list years ago to see if the dressage could be improved.
These days finishing on a 60 is a pretty good score for a US team member. We’ll be doing great when that’s our discard score. At WEG 2014, that would have been our best score, and it would have meant that Team USA was already qualified for the 2016 Olympics.
When you habitually can’t even finish a team on XC day he is an obvious choice. Sending a horse that will finish on a great XC score is a smarter move than sending a questionable XC horse with good dressage–which is what we keep doing. (The definition of insanity comes to mind here.) If we had plenty of horses who were the complete package with world beating expereince it might be different, but we haven’t and don’t.
Consider this, the Brits were putting Opposistion Buzz on teams as the lead off, get a clean run under the belt horse when his typical dressage score was in the mid to upper 50s. (It wasn’t until later in his career–that his scores got more respectable.) At the same time they were generally considered to have the deepest lineup in the world when it came to picking a Team.
Hey if we had four riders at WEG with 60 who made it we would have had a 240 and gotten Olympic qualification.
… I am so damn sick of the diss. I was watching the jumping warmup Sunday morning and DOC never even LOOKED at either of Colleens’ horses who were jumping like they were oily fit and ready for stadium later in the day. Never even LOOKED at Covert Rights who laid down a 42 in dressage and a clean XC. WHAT THE **** DO YOU WANT ON A TEAM. Sorry. It’s been two years of “let’s get the dressage under 50” and it’s gotten us NOWHERE internationally, in fact, it’s cost us Olympic qualification if you really look hard at it. This mindset was praised initially but as the results are not coming forth, I think it needs to change and we need to look at XC results. Rolex, in the rain, under the conditions, gave us a very good snapshot of who is team material in my estimation.
Hey I have video of Colleen that is on Youtube and the links will be posted by Brian on the FB Colleen Rutledge Eventing. If you are not on FB and want to see the links I can correct this post and add them. Just short clips but I have Luke and CR on XC and CR stadium.
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Lets get it started!!!
Does anyone really believe that Colleen has been left off lists because of dressage scores?
It’s because Colleen has done so many things just plain wrong in the eyes of the HP program. Wrong owners. Wrong coach. Wrong helmet-in-dressage. Wrong children (and CR has the nerve – the nerve! – to always have them with her). Wrong husband. Wrong persistence. Wrong self-belief.
I mean, how on earth can CR believe she belongs in the ranks of elite eventers? It’s an outrage, really.
I don’t know which of these wrongs is the worst (I suspect the coach ranks near the top) but the cumulative effect is that CR is simply Not Our Kind. :eek:
It will be interesting to see just how much the HP Eventing bigwigs like the taste of crow. Om nom nom, TPTB.
