In some cases you can 
I don’t think anyone would confuse this for flaxen liver
http://i53.tinypic.com/20jpr1h.jpg
Or this for SD
http://travmuseet.com/uploads/images/webbalbum/N/Nu-Pagadi.jpg
But I agree, there are a lot of presentations that could be one or the other, though even then, usually (not always!) you can look at the color the hair around the pasterns and determine red-based vs black-based.
Terri -
My Liver is out of a black bay (but truely a bay) and sire is a medium bay (KWPN Stallion Wolfgang) - no grays there. Wolfgang has sired at least 2 other Livers that I know of - both geldingd - one looked just like my mare but was 17+ hands, the other looked like my mare but had more “blond” hairs in the tail - my mare only has a few plus the Furiosio belly spot. 
This is a very handsome young hanoverian stallion
http://landgestuetcelle.de/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idcat=16&idart=1687
Click the video to really see how dark he is (the conformation photo shows him bleached).
There are more photos here:
http://www.dmjhorses.com/index.php?id=114
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There are more photos here:
http://www.dmjhorses.com/index.php?id=114[/QUOTE]
OK, a bit off topic, but in this link, in the fourth picture from the bottom, where the lovely stallion DMJ DANNEBROG is being trotted in hand, what are those brindly/mottled markings on his hind legs called?
Are they exclusive to liver chestnuts?
My grey has them in what’s left of his original coat color, which I used to think was bay, now believe is liver chestnut, since his tail is chestnut at the top and his legs aren’t black but chestnut and darker brown mixed…
Not that it matters a hoot in the scheme of things, but of course I am fixated on my horse and his markings, LOL…
I lease a liver chestnut mare (hanoverian) who has similar markings to Dannebrog on her hind legs. Kind of like lighter and darker mottling of the liver color. I don’t know if it is exclusive to livers, but I don’t see it on my plain chestnuts!
This picture?
http://www.dmjhorses.com/typo3temp/pics/d51e8beb02.jpg
It’s pretty typical of redheads to have mottled/shadowy shading on the lower legs.
The darker ones even often have “reverse points”, where the lower leg is a lighter shade of red than the body, as opposed to the black points of a bay It’s apparent in this picture, his LF
http://www.dmjhorses.com/typo3temp/pics/bb8779bfcd.jpg
Was wondering if it was the “leg” version of a dapple…
My liver Rubinstein mare has the weird leg coloring to.
How common are liver chestnuts? Becuase I lucked into finding a super nice riding horse who happens to be a very nicely marked sabino liver chestnut.
Quite some color variation, here:
http://silverdapplesaddlebreds.webs.com/crescent.htm
Might not always be able to tell Silver Dapple from ‘liver’; this mare and her 3 foals all have the Silver gene per genetic testing, plus at least one black base gene, yet look at the lower legs, some black, though with light fetlock hair in winter, some brown/red.
And the legs here:
http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/silver.html
Note the Red Chestnut stallion shows NO Silver effect, including in mane or tail.
More of the ‘what color is this’ vidual ID problem for ‘liver flax’ or ‘Silver’ or…, etc.:
http://www.silverdapplemorgansproject.com/notsilver.htm
I own 4 liver chestnuts. 3 of them I bred. One is major sabino - 4 stockings, belly spots, blaze.
One had two liver parents.
Another had one liver parent.
The third is the blingy one. Her sire was black (and he had a black sire), and her dam is bay (and she has a bay sire and a chestnut mother).
Absolutely no grays anywhere.
Ditto… No Grays… Most of my livers came from one liver parent.
Another finding…I’ve seen triangle leg markings show up on chestnuts & bays in my line… well after they were two yrs old!!
Well, after seeing all the pix of everyone’s liver chestnuts, I guess I have one too. I’ve never thought she was quite dark enough to be true liver, but definitely a “chocolate” chestnut versus all the other shades I’ve owned before. When bodyclipped, she clips “like a bay” would instead of being “pink” she’s more grulla colored. She is sabino, with 2 high stockings (hind has jagged edges), 1 sock and the leg that doesn’t have white is very light blond with silver and black hairs, has the requisite belly spot, blaze with white chin…very flashy/attractive. Her mane and tail are auburn with black and silver hairs…especially in the tail. Very striking… :yes: As far as her lineage goes, she was supposed to be born black:uhoh: and when she wasn’t, she was offered for sale. She has a LOT of black in her pedigree and absolutely NO gray…FWIW. I wish I could post a picture, she’s a very special girl.
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