Wow, lucky dtr!!
bay fade
There are also some shades of color that fade in the sun as quickly as they are revealed in full summer so I wouldn’t be surprised by a bay verdict. Glad you are testing. Thanks.PatO
Apparently you can make the change after registration…I just need to send in my horses original papers along with $10.00 amd his test results from Davis…but the dun test is not a gene test it is only a test for markers associated with the dun gene…so I am a little concerned that AQHA might refuse my request…by the time I get the papers nortarized and send registered mail I am in another $40.00…which I don’t mind if they actually will change his papers based on the test? Anybody have experience with this sort of thing?
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I am reviving this thread to ask another question.
My now 3 year old pony colt/stallion now does have a dorsal stripe coming out with this year shedding. This is a recent photo of him https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151637695281834&set=a.241372781833.169533.128288676833&type=1#!/photo.php?fbid=581842118494104&set=a.581738335171149.1073741825.159930517351935&type=1&theater
I see now that UC Davis has a “dun” test: http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/dunhorse.php Has anyone used this and is it accurate ?
I registered him as “light bay” Belgian Riding Pony (BWP pony division) but I am now beginning to think that he may really be a bay dun. He is negative for the cream gene.
He’s not dun. He’s just bay.
If he were dun he would have had a dorsal stripe the whole time not just recently.
Plus, his color/tone is just wrong for a bay dun.
I don’t see how dun is possible for the colt’s sire. There is an offspring gallery of 7 or so foals on his page and not a single one looks like a dun. Statistically speaking if the sire is truly a dun he should be producing 50% dun foals. I would expect at least one of the foals in his gallery to exhibit an obvious dun expression.
He looks like a true bay. Here’s my sport pony filly, Keyhole Chatelaine: note the dorsal stripe, leg bars, “mask”, and shoulder cape. Her sire is chestnut, and her mama is a tested homozygous dun (grulla). As you can see from the pics, she had dun markings from the moment she was out of the womb. Although her color and markings have deepened over the past year, they were always there and evident.
Just born. Leg bars / zebra stripes evident.
Side view. Cape and leg bars becoming more evident @ 4 weeks.
Two days old. Dorsal stripe clear.
At one year old. Deeper color, but clear rimming on ears.
The last pic nicely shows how the whole tone of a bay dun is, compared to the OP. Dun tends to wash out color
FS Daily Hero’s sire is FS Don’t Worry, who is definitely a chestnut, no dilute. His dam is FS Pascalina, who is listed as brown - her sire is black and her dam is brown. I see absolutely no possibility of FS Daily Hero being a dun or a buckskin - UNLESS, Pascalina’s sire was actually a smoky black, and then Daily Hero MAY be a buckskin. But, he is not a dun.
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FS Daily Hero’s sire is FS Don’t Worry, who is definitely a chestnut, no dilute. His dam is FS Pascalina, who is listed as brown - her sire is black and her dam is brown. I see absolutely no possibility of FS Daily Hero being a dun or a buckskin - UNLESS, Pascalina’s sire was actually a smoky black, and then Daily Hero MAY be a buckskin. But, he is not a dun.[/QUOTE]
I think that FS Don’t Worry may be a red dun even though he is listed as chestnut. I have seen him listed as both a chestnut on some sites and a red dun on others. Watch the video on this link: he has a very distictive dorsal stripe. I am pretty certain that my guy’s sire, FS Daily Hero is a dun.
Thanks for all the responses. I have thought my guy is a bay and that is what I registered him as. But he is shedding out such a yellow, golden color and then when the dorsal stripe started to appear it got me wondering again. It is hard to tell in the pictures but he is a very unusual bay color, very beautiful though 
Since I am keeping him as a stallion, I don’t want to misrepresent his color and have someone get a color they were not expecting Has anyone used the test at UC Davis, it is only $40. I thought I might test it anyway just to get my negative.
If you’re advertising him as a breeding animal, then yes, do the Dun test and know for sure they’ll want pictures of the dam and sire if at all possible.
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I think that FS Don’t Worry may be a red dun even though he is listed as chestnut. I have seen him listed as both a chestnut on some sites and a red dun on others. [/QUOTE]
I think Honeylips that posts here has a Red Dun by FS DW.
I went and looked through all the pictures you posted on his facebook page and he’s nothing but bay. I also looked at available pictures of his sire and he also doesn’t look dun. You could test him but I think it would be a waste as he doesn’t show any dun characteristics and dun doesn’t hide. Sorry to be a downer.
FS Don’t Worry IS a red dun. I have an FS Don’t Worry foal this year that is a bay dun. I will attach a link with pics. She is very light, almost looks like a buckskin (but can’t be) and has had a very clear dorsal stripe since birth.
I do think FS Daily Hero is likely a dun as well. However, I am not as certain about that.
Very cute little dun!! And the picture of her dorsal shows exactly how the dorsal on any type of dun should look like, the stripe continues through the tail and doesn’t just stop at it. The OP’s colt didn’t have that and it’s a good comparison to see. And I could be wrong about FS Daily Hero but I can’t find a single picture of him with a dorsal so if someone has one please post it! I’d love to see it.
I am curious if duns loose thier dun appearance like FS Daily Hero. I have no idea what my little filly will end up looking like (?plain bay?) but I LOVE the way she looks now!
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The first thing you need to figure out is if the mare is dun or dilute or both as the British Isles folk call both duns and dilutes dun. All colors except spotted are allowed in New Forest including dun and dilute. The foal looks like it could be buckskin not dun…definately not dun. Like in Quarter Horses perhaps it is not uncommon for a New Forest to be both dun and dilute. So has the sire and dam been color tested. It also looks like the whole color thing could be confused by black shading if that is the belly of his mother as the background. PatO[/QUOTE]
it is not Dun or dilute as Dun and Cream are BOTH a dilution just a different one.
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I am curious if duns loose thier dun appearance like FS Daily Hero. I have no idea what my little filly will end up looking like (?plain bay?) but I LOVE the way she looks now![/QUOTE]
It’s possible that very obvious signs, like leg barring, could fade a bit from the foal color to the adult color, but that dorsal stripe, barring it hiding under white, will always 100% be there. Bay duns and chestnut duns always look dun - always the dorsal stripe, very often dark ear tips, pretty much always the washed out look to the color. Black dun/grulla can be trickier sometimes as some of them can be really, really dark, but even then if you stand them next to a normal black, it’s obvious.
Others, like dun on buckskin, or dun on palomino or dun on smoky black, can be harder to see at a glance, though the shade/tone of the body usually gives it away. However, again the dorsal strip will always remain. Same with perlinos and cremellos and smoky creams - quite difficult to tel from the body color/tone because they’re already so light, but that dorsal stripe will always be there.
FS Don’t Worry is definately DUN and passes on Dun. I know this stallion VERY VERY well and have a good relationship with the FS farm going back many years.
My FS Djambo (actually just sold him last week) is a red dun. 4years old, STRONG dorsal stripe, leg barring, shoulder barring, masking on his face and ears.
