Colorado and Wyoming peeps! DH's job offers-best horse area for my equine business?

Hi all, after my truck post, we are going through a lot of things and thought it was best (get the best response), to start a new thread on the subject, as not to confuse. Anyone who knows how I can delete (after saving lots of the valuable info so many responded with-thank you again!!!) that post, as not to confuse anyone reading, I would greatly appreciate knowing how to…

I will try to keep this as simple as possible, but bear with me…:wink:
DH has been offered several job offers in various areas out west.
Jobs offers stand in Jackson Hole, WY, Lander/Rock Springs WY, and Glenwood Springs (around that and the Rifle/Eagle areas), CO. Knowing very little of the horse areas in these areas, we are seeking help as to what the horse population is.
I have an equine massage business (in therapy and rehabilitation), so need a clientele that can continue to support that business. We are looking for 30-50 acres of land for our own personal horses, and possibly creating an indoor training/rehab clinic.
Pretty much, the short of it is: are any of these areas able to support a horse business like such? Ranches that have horses as ‘livestock’ will not, and I understand that. So, looking at the rest of the equine demographic,…what do you think? Of course, we are researching, calling the Chamber of Commerce in the areas, etc. but will be making a huge move from SC (!), so need to have all our ‘ducks in a row’ before we do it. Any help is appreciated.
Feel free to PM if you like-we greatly appreciate any help, information, and advice-esp from those who live in the areas.
Thank you COTH!

I think you will be hard pressed to find 30-50 acres of horse-friendly land in or near Glenwood Springs unless you are a Hilton heiress. Okay maybe thats an exaggeration, but usable land is very expensive. It is too mountainous to support a huge horse population, though there are certainly some up there, and those that have horses usually keep them in style. (Notice the proximity to Aspen and Vail.)

Good luck!

I second that.

Glenwood Springs is a nice area, but if you gad enough money to buy a 50 acre ranch there, you wouldn’t need a job! :wink:

Same holds true for Eagle/Vail.

Rock Springs would not be my first recommendation for anybody. It is really in the middle of desolate country. I can’t imagine that equine massage would go over extremely well there. Horsekeeping is different out here, so you could possibly rethink the 50 acres and find a place around Glenwood Springs that is much smaller and still have horses. Much smaller.

Ditto for Wyoming - especially in Jackson. All the Hollywood actors bought up the land. :lol::lol: You might be able to find the acreage you’re looking for in Rock Springs. You’ll be suprised how non-horsey the cowboy state is!

I’m an equine massage therapist. I’ve only advertised through word of mouth. I have a demanding day job so it doesn’t lend me much time to pursue a massage business. Here in Casper massage for horses’s is still looked upon with some raised eyebrows. Most people just aren’t willing to spend their money on something like a massage.

Best of luck!

Thanks for the replies. We are narrowing it down to the CO job offer, after a lot of phone calls and research to equine contacts and vets in each area. I’ve read that CO is a really large ‘horse area’ for the western states,…!!! Is this accurate? Everyone I’ve called about it says the biggest ‘horse states’ in that area are Colorado and Utah. What do you guys think?
As far as Colorado goes, biggest horse populated areas? Again, I’ve read that Fort Collins and Parker are large horse areas, but any other thoughts?
We are expanding our farm search up to the area of Craig,…any thoughts on that area of Colorado? Anything there?

For people who appreciate horse massage you will be hard pressed to find that in the Glenwood Springs area. The most populated horse areas are along the I-25 corridor from Colorado Springs to Fort Collins. Glenwood Springs is off I-70, east of the Continental Divide and is about a 157 miles to Denver and even further to areas like Parker where the Colorado Horse Park is.

A massage business would do well in the Parker/Franktown/Castle Rock area. It could be sustainable in other areas along the Front Range from Fort Collins - Colorado Springs. But elsewhere in the state? I just don’t think so. While there certainly are horse people of means living in other places, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find enough of them to support a business. Craig, CO is in the middle of nowhere. There are like 10,000 people in the whole town.

Take a look online for boarding barns in these cities you’re looking at, as that should be a pretty good mark for collections of horse people. Even here in Fort Collins, I can probably count the number of boarding barns with indoors on one hand (okay, perhaps two) and a good portion of those are on the market. Having lived in Parker with horses and here with horses, the climate is INCREDIBLY different. Parker = horse central. Fort Collins is not even close.

I went google street view through Craig to see if they even had any stoplights…they do have a few :wink:

Also thought this was kind of funny! That’s probably a good “snapshot” of the general attitude toward horses in that part of the state.

This info about Moffat County might also be useful. Less than 15,000 people in the whole place, and population is on the downswing.

You sure can get a lot of land for DEAD CHEAP there, though!

Look for the population centers and the interest in your kind of riding … and then the further south you are, the better. The population density flows with the proximity to Denver, the elevation and the latitude - lower is more. :slight_smile:

CO/WY peeps aren’t much into trying something new on a horse in sufficient numbers to make a new market. The overall number of people that will pay for lessons/training enough to support a professional are already thin on the ground, especially in “english” disciplines. You have to pick an area that already has multiple discipline-dedicated boarding and lesson facilities that show enough people with the interest in the disciplines you are into.

If you end up where another kind of riding is the focus, your best bet will be to switch to match the local taste. Otherwise it could be frustrating. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Simkie;7198725]
A massage business would do well in the Parker/Franktown/Castle Rock area. It could be sustainable in other areas along the Front Range from Fort Collins - Colorado Springs. But elsewhere in the state? I just don’t think so. While there certainly are horse people of means living in other places, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find enough of them to support a business. Craig, CO is in the middle of nowhere. There are like 10,000 people in the whole town.

Take a look online for boarding barns in these cities you’re looking at, as that should be a pretty good mark for collections of horse people. Even here in Fort Collins, I can probably count the number of boarding barns with indoors on one hand (okay, perhaps two) and a good portion of those are on the market. Having lived in Parker with horses and here with horses, the climate is INCREDIBLY different. Parker = horse central. Fort Collins is not even close.[/QUOTE]

100% agree with everything said.

For what you are looking for, Parker is the only place I would consider for a viable business.

Fort Collins certainly has horses all around, but not the paying clientele kind.

Umm–FWIW, prepare for culture shock in many, many segments: climate, distances from place to place; animal care standards; amenities; quality and selection of (people) food; and on and on and on. If you get away from the I-25 and I-70 corridors, you are in rural America. :yes:

I absolutely agree with the posters who wrote that while there are lots of horses in Colorado, you won’t find lots of owners who are even aware there is such a thing as equine massage. I don’t mean they’re ignorant or uncaring; it’s just not high on the horse-keeping radar at this point in time.

[QUOTE=fiddleandco;7198643]
Thanks for the replies. We are narrowing it down to the CO job offer, after a lot of phone calls and research to equine contacts and vets in each area. I’ve read that CO is a really large ‘horse area’ for the western states,…!!! Is this accurate? Everyone I’ve called about it says the biggest ‘horse states’ in that area are Colorado and Utah. What do you guys think?
As far as Colorado goes, biggest horse populated areas? Again, I’ve read that Fort Collins and Parker are large horse areas, but any other thoughts?
We are expanding our farm search up to the area of Craig,…any thoughts on that area of Colorado? Anything there?[/QUOTE]

It is true - Douglas County (Parker, Franktown, Castle Rock) has the highest horses per capita of any county in the United States. Or at least it did at one point. It also has the highest average income in Colorado. So if you want to go where the most horses are (and the horse people have money to spend), that is where you want to be.

Or, you can sneak east over the county line into Elbert County where the taxes are less than half of Douglas County (so are land prices) and still be close enough to all the action. I’m in Parker, but just barely in Elbert County, and I am just 15 minutes from the Colorado Horse Park, and 10 minutes from where the Arapahoe Hunt meets. Yes, it is heaven. :smiley:

There is a very strong horse community, and lots of people keep horses at home, so there is ample opportunity for a horse business, especially now that the economy is picking up. I could see paralleling a massage business with horse/pet/farm sitting.

Thanks for so much good information. We were trying to stay within an hour (max hour and a half) from DH’s work areas of the ‘Rifle-Glenwood Springs-Eagle’ area…I don’t mind having to travel some to get to work, but it has to be available.

I’d suggest branching out from solely massage if you need consistent work and need to stay in that area. I don’t know what else you can do–perhaps pet/farm sitting is a good option, as someone else has suggested–but you’ll need to offer more. I’d think along the lines of what people need versus something that’s really a luxury item.

Also keep in mind that travel times and the distance you can reasonably travel could be faaaaaaaaaaar different in winter. As in, roads might be perhaps impassable. If it’s really important that your husband be able to BE THERE (wherever there is) year round, then where you can reasonably live gets very small and localized to wherever he is working.

[QUOTE=OverandOnward;7199017]
For what you are looking for, Parker is the only place I would consider for a viable business.

Fort Collins certainly has horses all around, but not the paying clientele kind.[/QUOTE]

This!

Blanket washing and repair might be a good side line to that too…

The easiest thing you can do to flow in with that area … give up the horses and ski. That’s what I did for years. :smiley:

Knowledgeable advice is being given! CO/WY are really nothing like other areas of the country where horsey people shower their equine darlings with “extras” such as massage, supplements and innovative healing techniques. Those things do go on, of course, but not in very many places. The best is the previously-mentioned Douglas County. North of Boulder has pockets of more pampered horsekeeping BUT very thinly scattered.

And … they have massage/chiro folks who do an excellent job for $40. Unless you can compete at that price, you could be in for slim pickings. Colorado Horse Park boarders (in Parker) may go for a more upscale massage product.

[QUOTE=Simkie;7200477]
I’d suggest branching out from solely massage if you need consistent work and need to stay in that area. I don’t know what else you can do–perhaps pet/farm sitting is a good option, as someone else has suggested–but you’ll need to offer more. I’d think along the lines of what people need versus something that’s really a luxury item.

Also keep in mind that travel times and the distance you can reasonably travel could be faaaaaaaaaaar different in winter. As in, roads might be perhaps impassable. If it’s really important that your husband be able to BE THERE (wherever there is) year round, then where you can reasonably live gets very small and localized to wherever he is working.[/QUOTE]

Yes, exactly.

Glenwood Springs/Eagle - especially Eagle - are notorious for difficult winters. The surrounding areas have some limited favorable winter travel routes along the Vail Valley, but otherwise you can forget commuting far or consistently in the winter along I-70. There is not much elevated riding & horses in that area, in spite of a lot of high-net-worth people living there. You are mentioning one of the finest skiing regions in the world … and what is that stuff on top of which we ski ??? :wink: That’s what it’s all about along I-70 west of the Continental Divide to Grand Junction.

Being from the south originally, I was gobsmacked to find that I-70 was often closed, at least overnight, in winter due to dangerous conditions. Closed? A major east-west interstate? The nearest other corridors being hundreds of miles away? At those altitudes the weather is unpredictable all year round. Glenwood Springs/Eagle are a long way from Denver or anything else, with the Eisenhower Tunnel in between, and any travel has to be planned around weather and traffic. There is very little of show horses and serious riding of any discipline in that area (a little reining).

Another discovery re CO/WY: There are almost no horse shows of any kind between end of September and May, other than the Nat’l Western Stock Show in January inside the coliseum. From October-April, if a show is snowed out the organizers are stuck with the cost. People don’t want to enter in advance because weather along their travel route could stop them from getting there. I found that to be true of in-state conventions and gatherings of all kinds - no one wanted to organize them in months that could fall victim to weather.

Now THAT there is a lot of in Colorado … :slight_smile: Although once again, outside the Denver-Boulder area a lot of the ranch people have their horses turned out for winter and don’t blanket. But overall, there is much more blanketing than there is equine massage.

I would eliminate Rock Springs/Lander from consideration based on the remoteness of that area. Rifle/Eagle seems remote, too. From your list that leaves Glenwood Springs and Jackson Hole. I think of Jackson Hole as being more upscale than Glenwood Springs so would investigate the horse community there first. I have always thought of the Glenwood Springs area as being very affordable - much more so that the two major Colorado horse areas (Douglas County and Boulder County), so was surprised when I read that posts that said land was expensive there - comparatively speaking, I don’t think it is. Your business would do much better along the front range than on the Western Slope (imo) but it is much too far. Glenwood Springs is a pretty nice area, I think.

Try places with many barrel racers.
They generally don’t have much money, but they spend what little they have on their horses and are very high on all you can do for their horses, massage, swimming for therapy and conditioning and including alternative stuff.

Around here, they are an important market for vets and horse suppliers.