Come July Horse Slaughter Should be Less Common in Canada

Let me, I hope, correct a few misconceptions about this.

This effort was driven by the European Union, where a lot of the horse meat for consumption goes. They have always had rules about the use of drugs in slaughtered animals, just never really enforced it before. Last April (?) they decided to enforce it and the Canadian Gov’t (seeing as we now are the dumping ground for all the US horses that were "saved by refusing to pay meat inspectors to work in horse slaughter plants inthe US anymore), set up this preliminary set of guidelines as a beginning.

In the actual paper that came out last week, I saw no notice of a “quarantine” period at all. Perhaps I missed it or perhaps that is coming in the next part of the ruling. General talk seems to be that any horse without a certificate (more later) will have to be feed lotted at a gov’t regulated lot for 6 months to de-toxify, in case they were given any of the drugs listed as acceptable after 6 months.

On to the “certificate” found here http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/meavia/man/ch17/annexee.shtml This cert will need to be filled out for any horse that is intended to be made available for slaughter. IOW, if you take your horse to an auction and want the KB’s to look at him, you’d best have one of these filled out and given to the auctioneer or they won’t likely buy.

Now, the really cool part is…GUESS who gets to fill out the portion that says “I guarantee that this horse has had none of the 99,000 medications listed here in in the last 6 months, nor ever has had any of the other 1 million medications that are on that other list.”

The OWNER! Isn’t that great? The guy trying to make 300 bucks off this poor horse, gets to sign this form himself, with no vet needed!

And, if you look a little further down, inthe FAQ’s, you might note that ANY horse who has everbeen given Bute or is suspected of having been given Bute cannot EVER be sent for slaughter. Maybe it’s me, but that pretty much cuts out every horse except the ones every owner raised from a foal. That’s the only way you can be certain. I foyu bought the horse, you can’t know what his former owner did for a sprain.

This could be interesting.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-slaughter. I think it’s a necessary evil.

If those strident people who managed to get the slaughter houses in the US closed are done congratulating themselves, perhaps now they could put their energies into making sure that double deckers are banned for horse transport and that rest stops and water stops are enforced on that much longer journey they’ve force these animals on.

NJR

PS…I’d also like to point out that Canada’s slaughter laws are much more stringent than the ones in the US. So be assured on that front.

[QUOTE=Geroni-mo-oh-oh;4730525]
Bluey:
The HSUS, you know, that group that wants, amongst other distracting agendas, to eliminate all use of animals by humans, eventually.

Hey Bluey: This is such a pile of manure that no one with half a brain would post it. Check your facts.[/QUOTE]

Here are some facts for you, that only take half a brain to understand.:wink:
Don’t miss clicking on the menu on the right, especially the quotes:

http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/136-humane-society-of-the-united-states

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/184-7-things-you-didnt-know-about-hsus

There is a site just to watch what the HSUS does:

http://humanewatch.org/

Animal welfare is a handy step toward’s animal rights, used by them when convenient, but the ultimate goal has always seem to be their animal rights agenda they have been following for so long, even helping defend the clearly extremist animal rights groups and individuals when they went to court.

That has hurt them in this information age, when mailing sad puppies and kittens behind bars to ask for donations to save them is seen for the disinformation that was, only 1/2 of 1% of the donations going directly to help animals, something the donating public didn’t realize.

The HSUS is an animal rights group, run by animal rights proponents, some that came directly from PETA.
You may believe their current PR about animal welfare being their only agenda, but their actions up to now present a different story.
Read the links provided to be more informed on who they are.

Some horse rescues have aligned with the HSUS.
What is sad, they know who they are and don’t care, because they wanted slaughter banned, no matter the consequences.
They are just playing right into the hands of animal rights activists, their stated goal “one generation and no more domestic animals and none too soon for me”.
That includes horses.:eek:

Before taking sides, we need to be very sure we know who all is on each side and why, what the big picture is and the unintended consequences of what we are striving for may bring.:yes:

Let me clear up a misconception that you apparently have. The slaughter plants were NOT shut down by the law that pulled Federal funding for inspectors. The plants just paid for private inspectors and continued killing horses. I don’t think they lost a day’s business over that one.

What shut them down was at the STATE level. Illinois voters (millions of people) passed a law banning slaughter in that state. In Texas, popular sentiment from voters, finally got existing laws banning the sale of horsemeat enforced which shut down the two operating plants in Texas. Those plants had operated for decades in defiance of the existing law and the good old boy beef industry giants that protected them. All that changed was someone sued to finally have the law enforced.

Slaughter is not illegal in the US in many states…in our nation it is regulated more at a state level than a Federal level. For example, California banned slaughter years ago. There is nothing stopping anyone from building more plants in the US and some states have passed legislation to allow that…like Montana.

You are 100% correct about the bute rules. They apply to all animals intended for human consumption. I think it is disgusting that our nation allowed for so long meat that was clearly unhealthy and contaminated to be exported for people to eat so a few companies could profit on it.

Withholding periods for horses have never been followed nor does Joe Horseowner have a clue what drugs a “food” animal can or can’t have…nor do many people ever imagine that their pet or companion or show horse will end up on someone’s plate.

One percent of US horses are slaughtered right now out of a population of around 9 million…that’s about 120,000…not very many.

—"Those plants had operated for decades in defiance of the existing law and the good old boy beef industry giants that protected them. "—

Sorry, we can’t rewrite history and that you can’t substantiate with any facts, because it didn’t happen like that.:no:

The HSUS got involved, as they do in anything that will stop animal use by humans and their attorneys were sent to look thru the books, to find some angle to fight for the closing.
They found this 1947 law, that was passed to keep unscrupulous butchers from selling horse meat as beef and in that light, banned horse meat sales AS beef.
They twisted that law’s intent around, since it was so long ago and was not worded quite clearly enough and guess what, the HSUS lawyers won that suit.

It was a lawsuit and the old law subject to interpretation and it was interpreted in that manner today.

That is history and farily current, you may check the facts yourself, but you can’t rewrite them, sorry.

Do you deny that the Cattlemen’s Association (or some such group) got a bounty or payment per head per horse slaughtered in Texas? Seems to me like they had their hands in the cookie jar a bit more than necessary. :wink:

When I have time later, I will look up some references. I’m a bit busy right now and headed out the door.

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;4730953]
Do you deny that the Cattlemen’s Association (or some such group) got a bounty or payment per head per horse slaughtered in Texas? Seems to me like they had their hands in the cookie jar a bit more than necessary. :wink:

When I have time later, I will look up some references. I’m a bit busy right now and headed out the door.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are again not getting the facts right.

The TSCRA is a cattlemen’s association that has inspectors that fight cattle, HORSE and equipment theft, along with local law enforcement personel.

They have inspectors in every sale barn at every cattle and HORSE sale in the state and had them in the horse slaughter plants, every minute they were in operation receiving horses.
That fee was to help pay for the inspectors, that were there looking for —possibly STOLEN HORSES.

I am not aware of any other kind of payment to anyone involved in this and if you think about what you say, it just doesn’t make any sense as you make it sound.:confused:

[QUOTE=Bluey;4730819]

Before taking sides, we need to be very sure we know who all is on each side and why, what the big picture is and the unintended consequences of what we are striving for may bring.:yes:[/QUOTE]

I sure as heck will never take the side of the horse meat industry! Do you think they thought about all the unintended consequences of horses sitting in feed lots for 6 months? Or all the fake paper work that will be generated!

Doubt it! :no:

[QUOTE=MSP;4730995]
I sure as heck will never take the side of the horse meat industry! Do you think they thought about all the unintended consequences of horses sitting in feed lots for 6 months? Or all the fake paper work that will be generated!

Doubt it! :no:[/QUOTE]

How about all those BLM horses sitting in feedlots …all their lives?

This whole debate is just not going anywhere, because many are just set to stop slaughter, no matter what and those that see it as just one more solution can’t do right, no matter how it is arranged.

It is really that easy and honest to be on the side that just keeps putting obstacles in the way and then blame the process for them?:confused:

[QUOTE=Nojacketrequired;4730596]

On to the “certificate” found here http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/meavia/man/ch17/annexee.shtml This cert will need to be filled out for any horse that is intended to be made available for slaughter. IOW, if you take your horse to an auction and want the KB’s to look at him, you’d best have one of these filled out and given to the auctioneer or they won’t likely buy.

Now, the really cool part is…GUESS who gets to fill out the portion that says “I guarantee that this horse has had none of the 99,000 medications listed here in in the last 6 months, nor ever has had any of the other 1 million medications that are on that other list.”

The OWNER! Isn’t that great? The guy trying to make 300 bucks off this poor horse, gets to sign this form himself, with no vet needed![/QUOTE]
Tell me, please, that you are being facetious?

And Double Deckers? Those have been banned for quite a while and they still use them. Why? Cause it helps keep their profit margin such that this job is worth doing and because no one stops them.

[QUOTE=Bluey;4730819]
Here are some facts for you, that only take half a brain to understand.:wink:
Don’t miss clicking on the menu on the right, especially the quotes:

http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/136-humane-society-of-the-united-states

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/184-7-things-you-didnt-know-about-hsus

There is a site just to watch what the HSUS does:

http://humanewatch.org/

:[/QUOTE]

Those websites are all offshoots of the same group made up of Big Ag groups, the Tabacco industry, the Alchohol industry, etc. They lobby against things that would reduce smoking, DWI’s (actually fought against lowering the DWI limit nationally to .08%), lobbied against Mother’s Against Drunk Driving, lobbied against requiring a Certificate of origin on meats, lobbied against regulating puppy mills, lobbied against rules banning using Downer cows in food/meats.

They have their own agenda and animal/human welfare isn’t it. Freedom of big business to act as they like without restriction is.

I’m being facetious. Let’s have a think here.

Joe look at the cert and says “Heck ya!” signs it and the KB’s might buy his horse.
Joe looks at the cert, say “Well, there was just that ONE time…” turns around and takes the horse he doesn’t want home.
Which do you think more likely?
Also why I believe the industry will start to lean more and more toward the feed lot scenario, because if a bad carcass gets caught with a signed cert, that plant is going to be in BIG trouble.

And Double Deckers? Those have been banned for quite a while and they still use them. Why? Cause it helps keep their profit margin such that this job is worth doing and because no one stops them.

Exactly. So why don’t the people who have so much to say about banning slaughter, keep working on that but in the meantime, get their representatives to start upholding the laws in States where it is illegal to use DD’s?

Slaughter isn’t going away anytime soon. Keep trying if you want to. But do something that helps the horses NOW, while you’re at it.

I won’t get into the discussion of who/why/when the law was passed about slaughter in the US, but it was and now Canada is doing its best by the horses it is getting from the States.

NJR

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;4731216]
Tell me, please, that you are being facetious?

And Double Deckers? Those have been banned for quite a while and they still use them. Why? Cause it helps keep their profit margin such that this job is worth doing and because no one stops them.[/QUOTE]

DD are only banned in about 4 states. They are banned to transport to slaughter, but since we have no slaughterhouses here, they can get away with transporting them to/from auctions or across the border to feedlots, THEN to slaughter.

I’d forgotten about that little loophole.

A friend is a Border Guard and says the same thing.
If the driver says the load is for feedlot, off they go. If for slaughter, they have to be in a single floored vehicle.
Drivers always are going to the feedlot, and once over the border, they just change their minds…voila…slaughter horses in a DD.

Somewhere I saw that Canada is making them unload at the borders onto single floored vehicles though…can’t remember where I saw that. Don’t know if it’s true 100%

NJR

I don’t understand why people constantly try to link “horse slaughter” to “horse neglect/homelessness”.
Horse slaughter is all about selling meat to consumers.
There’s no market for dog/cat slaughter and they suffer neglect, homelessness, and killing by the bucketload. The two issues aren’t related.

[QUOTE=jetsmom;4731463]
Those websites are all offshoots of the same group made up of Big Ag groups, the Tabacco industry, the Alchohol industry, etc. They lobby against things that would reduce smoking, DWI’s (actually fought against lowering the DWI limit nationally to .08%), lobbied against Mother’s Against Drunk Driving, lobbied against requiring a Certificate of origin on meats, lobbied against regulating puppy mills, lobbied against rules banning using Downer cows in food/meats.

They have their own agenda and animal/human welfare isn’t it. Freedom of big business to act as they like without restriction is.[/QUOTE]

I assume by your words that you didn’t read any of the links I provided?

It is immaterial who those groups are, the FACTS we are discussing here, who the HSUS is, that is what those links provide and that is why I posted them.

Trh truth is that who the HSUS is not who those that so gullibly follow them think.
READ the links and see for yourself.
Someone also posted a link about the lawsuit lately against the HSUS and what came out in court about who the HSUS are and what they do would curl your hair.
Sorry, I didn’t keep that link, but it is floating somewhere around in the COTH cyberspace.

The HSUS really is targeting our use of animals in principle, that is clear to see, if you have followed them any time and read all they are doing.
They do have an agenda, don’t kid yourself, read the links.:stuck_out_tongue:

I think because most people are misinformed. Statistics have already shown that neglect and abandonment are not linked to the lack of slaughter facilities here in the U.S. but to the economy.

All someone has to do these days to get rid of a horse is to post a “Free Horse” ad on Craigslist, and magically, a very nice “family” comes to pick up the horse and take it to it’s new forever home where it will be spoiled and loved for the rest of it’s natural life. These “families” are making some easy cash by preying on people who can no longer take care of a horse.

People who neglect horses have something wrong with them mentally and making slaughter legal again for human consumption is not going to alter their ignorance or inability to care about the welfare of these horses.

But the closure of plants coincided with an enormous increase in neglect and abandonment cases. So there is a connection after all.

[QUOTE=Alagirl;4731714]
But the closure of plants coincided with an enormous increase in neglect and abandonment cases. So there is a connection after all.[/QUOTE]

No, because more US horses were slaughtered in the last 2 yrs than in any of the previous 10 years. So by your reasoning, more horses slaughtered should result in less neglect.

Yet when Cavel closed for 2 years after the fire, abuse/neglect cases in IL dropped.

And the horses being bought by killer buyers are not the starving/neglected horses.

[QUOTE=Alagirl;4731714]
But the closure of plants coincided with an enormous increase in neglect and abandonment cases. So there is a connection after all.[/QUOTE]

Actually, that’s not true, but it’s what appears to be true based on many false media reports. If you have a couple of minutes, this is an interesting study that shows how many false reports the media has done while trying to lead people into believing that neglect and abandonment have increased.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/legbills/2009/Minutes/Senate/Exhibits/ags55a16.pdf

Here is the conclusion from the article:

“Claims of a national crises of abandoned horses are unfounded, deceptive and dishonest. We do not have a wave of abandoned horses in the U.S. What we do have however, is an attempt to overwhelm the public with a wave of fictitious articles about abandoned horses, designed to coerce lawmakers into making sham-based decisions.”

I can see how this can happen, it’s a much better news story to discuss the increase of abandoned horses, which in turn makes it easier to promote the re-opening of slaughter plants in the U.S. The reports have proven to be falsified, so I’m now curious to know who has the real, hard facts that can truly link abandonment and neglect to the lack of slaughter plants.

Simple Solution:

Flooded Market = Stop Production

Why does this simple market practice not work with horse breeders, are they daft?