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Thank you everyone! caballogurl and Adela, please share some photos of your foals when they arrive, would love to have a look! :)[/QUOTE]
This is the mare i plan to breed to CiF:
http://sporthorse-data.com/d?showpic=10724820&time=1443621064
Why? Is this based on a sentiment you have on TB mares as a whole, or quantitative trait of this stallion? You then state a strongly framed mare, ok, whats your definition of that? Contender doesnât come to mind, but we could have different opinions on that. And why are you defining it with a âContender mareâ when your says US breeders should concentrate on the mare-lineâŠno stamm or even dam-sire listed? You go right back to the stallion there.
You can study the mare all you want, you still have to study the stallion. With frozen semen itâs silly to think that when evaluating a stallion you are doing it with one mare in mind for this very moment or breeding season. Short-sighted approach.
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Comme il Faut must have a mare with very good front legs and feet. A mare that has a pretty enough head and is very noble is also desirable.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for this. Worse front limbs than his sire?
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Why? Is this based on a sentiment you have on TB mares as a whole, or quantitative trait of this stallion? You then state a strongly framed mare, ok, whats your definition of that? Contender doesnât come to mind, but we could have different opinions on that. And why are you defining it with a âContender mareâ when your says US breeders should concentrate on the mare-lineâŠno stamm or even dam-sire listed? You go right back to the stallion there.
You can study the mare all you want, you still have to study the stallion. With frozen semen itâs silly to think that when evaluating a stallion you are doing it with one mare in mind for this very moment or breeding season. Short-sighted approach.[/QUOTE]
WhoaâŠshe didnât say Contender. She said they had a nice CIF out of her OWN Contender mare.
I wouldnât suggest a TB mare either given their history of leg conformation and shorter lines. He is already super modern himslef. CIF is just a little more than a pony type and he needs a mare that has a strong frame.
You also donât know that Hyperion has seen several CIFâs and the mothers they come from.
The few on here that do have experience with CIF are sharing what they know out of their own free will and donât have to share anything. Having said thatâŠtry not to be so aggressive in your questioning
I know a little bit about CIF and the foals he makes. From what Iâve seen , Hyperions suggestions were spot on.
[QUOTE=goodmorning;8355098]
Why? Is this based on a sentiment you have on TB mares as a whole, or quantitative trait of this stallion? You then state a strongly framed mare, ok, whats your definition of that? Contender doesnât come to mind, but we could have different opinions on that. And why are you defining it with a âContender mareâ when your says US breeders should concentrate on the mare-lineâŠno stamm or even dam-sire listed? You go right back to the stallion there.
You can study the mare all you want, you still have to study the stallion. With frozen semen itâs silly to think that when evaluating a stallion you are doing it with one mare in mind for this very moment or breeding season. Short-sighted approach.[/QUOTE]
Youâre absolutely right in questioning my opinion. However , I speak from personal experience and having watched the stallion for some time, breeding my best mare to him, and evaluating the outcome I then witness the result of an educated decision.
I certainly have nothing against TB mares, but I would not breed one to this stallion based on what I know. By all means if you want to make a cross to him with a TB go for it.
No definitions have been made as I am not an encyclopedia, however, my Contender mare produced a superb son from CIF and I would do it again knowing that it worked. It was a calculated decision to use a Contender/Laval I mare from Stamm 474a, but since you donât know my mare then my statement is true IMO and so it is of others who know herâŠa strongly framed mare is important when crossings to this stallion.
But Iâve been wrong before as have a lot of other breeders.
[QUOTE=HyperionStudLLC;8339545]
IMO TB mares, which we have plenty ofâŠa strong No for this stallion. We have to stop thinking that the TB mares rule the roost in the USA for sport breeding. Get yourself a strongly framed WB mare and use her. Breeding in the USA for sport other than racing has been ripped from the headlines of Europe. As they say⊠âif it ainât broke, donât fix itâ.
We had a beautiful colt by Comme il Faut from our Contender mare this year and I will sayâŠstudy the genetics of any mare you want to breed and use history as your guide.[/QUOTE]
IMO, generalizing that what âweâ in the US think about TB mares âruling the roostâ is rather harsh.
Mares, either WB or TB should be assessed as individuals, and only the best of either for breeding. Whether the use of TB or not is advisable depends entirely on the individual and itâs particular pedigree, and in either case selection of a sire should compliment what the dam brings to the table.
Which is why I posed the question about what types of mares have been brought to this stallion so far, and what the results have beenâI wouldnât think TB would be his best match from watching his style, but that doesnât lead me to want to retire my good (Han approved) TB mare from breeding to other more suitable stallions.
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IMO, generalizing that what âweâ in the US think about TB mares âruling the roostâ is rather harsh.
Mares, either WB or TB should be assessed as individuals, and only the best of either for breeding. Whether the use of TB or not is advisable depends entirely on the individual and itâs particular pedigree, and in either case selection of a sire should compliment what the dam brings to the table.
Which is why I posed the question about what types of mares have been brought to this stallion so far, and what the results have beenâI wouldnât think TB would be his best match from watching his style, but that doesnât lead me to want to retire my good (Han approved) TB mare from breeding to other more suitable stallions.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your statement. Yet my statement about TBs is not a knock against the breed, itâs a no for this stallion. Many WB stallions need blood and TB mares offer but many times the TBs lack the luster needed for high performance offspring for the jumper division on a consistent basis.
Yet the OP was asking about CIF in particular and my answer was what it was based on him.
Keep in mind when people ask questions itâs not always a jumper they are looking to produce. Often forgotten, and maybe a breeding is being done with an F2 in mind.
Thanks for the additional information Hyperion.
So is this stallion out of one of the clones?
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So is this stallion out of one of the clones?[/QUOTE]
He is Ratina Zâs 2005 and last foal by her, not out of a clone, by Cornet Obolensky.
My Comme Il Faut foal finally arrived today!! A chestnut colt with lots of chrome out of a solid dark bay dam! Go figure!
Here are some pictures: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100346495347494.1073741835.15300145&type=1&l=539f5a2db7
Pedigree: http://www.horsetelex.com//horses/pedigree/1832071
caballogurl, that colt is breathtaking! Congratulations!
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