Concrete or plastic grid or rubber mats for manure bin?

I have a DIY manure bin built out of power poles—the three walls, 6 feet high, floor is just dirt. It has been fine for years but now the ‘floor’ is a mess, over time we’ve inadvertently dug it down too much moving manure around. I need a permanent base/floor material, so my wee tractor can turn the manure but not get stuck in mud half the time. No, it’s not fully covered, and I live in SW WA, so lots of wet days= mud for months.

I’d like to DIY it again, but a 10x18 space is a bit intimidating to pour concrete ourselves. I got to thinking about plastic mud grids: would those work as a base/floor for a bin? Would they stay in place and not be damaged by my very small tractor (the smallest Kubota made)? What about heavy duty rubber stall mats? Thoughts? Bad ideas?

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I would use concrete, and make the bin a little smaller otherwise welcome to the world of State regulations since your compost bin in theory could hold greater than 40 cubic yards (your bin being 10ft by 18ft by with a potential 6 feet height would hold 1080 cubic feet divide by 27 = 40 cu/yd)

here are the Reporting requirements in Washington State (bold mine) that provide links to design criteria

Greater than 25 cubic yards with no upper limits when only agricultural wastes, manure and bedding from zoos, and bulking agents are processed on-farm, or on-site for zoos.

section © For composting at a farm other than a dairy, composting must occur as part of an updated farm management plan written in conjunction with a conservation district, a qualified engineer, or other agricultural professional able to certify that the plan meets applicable conservation practice standards in the USDA Washington Field Office Technical Guide, Code 317, produced by the Natural Resources Conservation Service;

https://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=173-350-220

I live in a highly regulated metropolitan area so about a year ago we stopped composting manure began having all manure waste hauled off by a sanitation company … and really expect with the current trends will we eventually regulated out of existence

I have concrete, and we poured it ourselves, but it’s not that big. I don’t use that bin for turning/composting, I use it only for the initial dump, and then when full it gets moved to a place where we just pile and flip. Mud can be an issue…e.g. it is pouring today, and the bin is half full. I will probably have to get in there and shovel it around a little so that I can keep using it until the ground freezes hard.

No comment on the ag waste piece; while my bin could in theory hold a certain amount, with only 3 sides it’s not possible to fill it completely.

Not the least bit concerned about the size of my bin and ag laws. And I live inside a National Scenic Monument, so I know all about living with federal regulations. It ain’t so bad!

Due to my property size and being a good clean water steward (salmon-bearing creek at the bottom of our property), I must contain my poop and compost it in one location, hence the bigger bin I have to turn. I use pelleted bedding, and collect poo from paddocks daily. Cannot spread it on fields—not enough space.

I guess I’ll start the research on how to pour my own concrete and get a few bids from local companies. Thanks for the advice so far!

I would think you could cause a liquid runoff problem with concrete, whereas it’s likely you currently don’t have one. You probably need a permeable surface of some sort that can support your tractor activities.
Similar to this;

https://www.truegridpaver.com/permeable-pavers/

Equibrit- that’s what I was looking at! I’m just wondering about my FEL making contact with it and pulling it up. It would be $$$ to install though, equivalent to concrete DIY. I’m going to go down the Youtube rabbit hole and see what I can learn there.

You could put drains into a concrete slab. You could do it washrack style with a slight slope to a drain into gravel to stop the leachate running out.

Honestly, what I need is a solid surface to move/turn the manure on so my tractor doesn’t get stuck—we ready plan on putting down geotextile material and gravel for the area in front of the bins, but a solid where the manure is dumped/stored is a must.

Then concrete. Unless you get a lot of rain I don’t think you’ll really have an issue with runoff in a 3 sided bin.

I use the concrete bottom of my bin as a guide for the FEL, so yes, I think anything more moveable will shift.

Ideally I would put a gravel area around it so you have more area to move the tractor without mud issues, but that might be more work than you’re prepared for.

Our current manure bunker has heavy geotextile (often called boulder cloth), railroad tie “rails,” and packed conbit (crushed concrete/asphalt).

We had the geotextile left over from redoing the paddock and the railroad ties were left here by the previous owners. We spaced them about a foot narrower than our tractor bucket so that we could scrape with the bucket but not tear/dig the bottom up.

It’s worked great. Here are a couple of pictures - one shows two of the railroad tie rail ends and the geotextile before we finished covering it with conbit and the other is the finished product. I’m excited that next year we be upgrading to a larger 2 bin concrete bunker with a roof. There is a county watershed conservation program that that will pay for 80% of the cost, and you can also get credit for work you that can help cover the remainder.


You could “bury” the grid with a thick topping of gravel.

Sorry, this post got long. TL;DR - you want concrete. It’s not hard.

Gravel wouldn’t work-- you’ll dig up gravel with every scoop, getting rocks all through your compost. Whether you spread or use it for gardening, you don’t want any rocks in there.

Even 3/4" thick stall mats will move around and get picked up by the loader, and they’ll actually tear into pieces because your tires are on one end while the loader’s putting a lot of stress on the other end. (Direct experience-- I have them outside under my hay hut, and when I change out the bale, I use the loader to scrape off the waste hay. The mats would move around, and eventually a couple of them broke into pieces) They just won’t be a durable solution.

Concrete isn’t difficult when you don’t need to worry about appearance. This is a one-weekend DIY-able job, totally.
Day 1 - Prep:

  • scrape the dirt base relatively flat. On your sidewalls, measure up from ground level 5" at the back, and 6" high at the front. Snap a chalk line between these two marks to mark the wall from front to back. This is so your rainwater/leachate will drain out the back, away from your loader work area.

  • Take some 1x2 furring strips, and nail to the sidewalls so the top of the strip is along your chalk line. This will be the top of your concrete surface, and the guide for your screed board to run along the top of these strips.

  • Put down 2" of gravel, tamp to compress, and use a level on a long board to find/fix any low spots in your pad.

  • Extend your gravel pad 3-4ft in front of the bins, sloped down to make a ramp. Stake 2 2x4s on either side of this ramp to act as sidewalls to hold in the concrete. You need this ramp as a place to get rid of excess concrete.

  • Create a backstop for the back wall of the concrete. Rather than run your concrete all the way to the actual wall, you’re going to leave a few inches gap in the back, so rain can drain into the gravel. Essentially making a miniature french drain. To do this, drive some stakes into your gravel every 2ft or so, about 1" away from the back wall, and set2x6 boards in front of these stakes. This will create about a 3" drainage gap. You’ll pull that backer board out when the concrete’s firm enough to walk on, and fill the gap with gravel.

  • With that 2" gravel pad, your sidewall furring strips should be about 3" above the gravel at the back, and 4" at the front. Precision not critical, the concrete will level things out

Day 2- Concrete. Need three people. The 3rd person can be a teenager, they don’t have a super technical job. Wear crappy tall rubber boots. Have two 10ft 2x4s on hand for screed boards.

  • Slab is too large to mix bags of concrete by hand, you need to get a concrete truck. Even though your depth is slightly less in back, calculate your volume assuming a uniform 4" depth. Whatever’s extra will be poured over your ramp in the front of the bins. There are online calculators to determine how many cubic yards you need, and the concrete dispatcher can help. Tell the dispatcher to be sure the truck has a chute to reach at least 8 feet out behind the mixer.

  • The chute swings side to side to direct the flow where you need it. Working back to front, your helper will swing the chute from side to side across your work area, while you and your partner push the material around, using the boards on the sidewall to guide you on depth. The helper will signal to the driver to move the truck forward a couple feet as you finish each section. The helper also operates a lever to control the flow to match your pace. (That said, you do need to work quickly.)

  • Try to get this first spread relatively level, and better to err on the side of a little too much vs not enough. You can screed off the excess more easily than filling big voids.

  • With whatever’s left over, make your ramp out in front as long/wide as you need until the truck’s empty.

  • With the concrete guy gone, start screeding with 10ft boards from back to front. Wade into the wet concrete and work side by side, sliding your boards along those furring strips on your sidewalls. This is hard work.

  • Try to keep your boards level–if you stay side by side, you will be able to see the other guy’s board is lower or higher than yours. Your helper can be in there with you with a shovel to scoop material into any voids, and screed over it again to smooth. Not a crisis if you have imperfections for this project, so I wouldn’t bother with troweling to create a perfectly smooth surface.

  • After your slab has set for ~ 6hrs, go to Lowes or similar and rent a concrete saw for your expansion joints. You want a small blade, you’re only making a 1" deep cut.

  • Sometime after 6 hours but no more than 18hrs after you’ve poured, when the edge doesn’t crumble if you scrape it, snap a chalk down the middle of the slab lengthwise and crosswise, and cut a 1" joint on that line. It’s no harder than using a circular saw. The expansion joints are critical – concrete will 100% crack badly if you don’t put them in. (The alternative is putting in a mesh of rebar before you pour, which is way more a pain than just renting the saw.)

Here’s a good video of putting in a large slab. Obvs you don’t need as smooth a surface, but it gives you a good sense of what the pouring and smoothing process looks like. Again, you don’t have to do all the troweling and floating.

Be brave, you can do it!

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Thank you so much for that detailed how-to!! It does seem quite doable and no, it doesn’t need to be perfect by any means.

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Meant to mention: the concrete needs to cure for a week-- you can walk on it after 24hr but don’t drive or load manure on it until at least a week.