[QUOTE=bugsynskeeter;8892085]
Pretty much.[/QUOTE]
Well that is a big bummer. I am a little unsure if I like how far foward the stirrups are on this saddle, so I was thinking I may look around to see what else there was in my price range in this brand. But, that kind of puts a kabash on that.
Bob’s got back to me. This is how this rigging should look done up: https://goo.gl/photos/uoUYTkS2koeyGfGc6
Well, I was right on my first guess, before my edit. LOL
As for the knots, most people in this area tie the knot in the latigo instead of using the buckle. If I’m using a nylon latigo then I tie it because I’ve seen too many of them rip at the buckle. If I have a leather latigo then I use the buckle.
Yes, several people were right. Was able to tie it correctly tonight and it seems fairly secure, even though none of the holes matched up with the buckle.
They may say that is how it is supposed to be done up, but that puts the pull from the rigging WAY too far forward on the saddle. It looks like the back slot is at full, so this is ahead of full. That will pull the front bar tips down into the shoulder blades and have no pull over the rest of the saddle. Think of trying to attach a load to a vehicle and only strapping down the tip of one end. The goal of a good rigging is to pull as evenly over the whole saddle as possible. This rigging makes that totally impossible.
[QUOTE=Draftmare;8891639]
I may do that. I was trying to find pictures of their saddles tied up, and they seem to be just about the only brand that makes their saddles with that set up. All of their cowhorse saddles are made that way.[/QUOTE]
No, John Fallis makes his saddles the same way.
Hear you go, OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUWvJez-vOc
But know that some really hard-core people prefer the knot because you can customize fit better. If you do that, tie it such that the bight of the latigo is on the left side of the knot, toward the horse’s neck. The point is to try to have less bulk under your knee.
With these saddles, that left slot is, in fact, for the bight of the latigo. I think the rest of the design (no girth ring) is about eliminating bulk under the rider’s leg.
[QUOTE=Dani;8892607]
As for the knots, most people in this area tie the knot in the latigo instead of using the buckle. If I’m using a nylon latigo then I tie it because I’ve seen too many of them rip at the buckle. If I have a leather latigo then I use the buckle.[/QUOTE]
I also was taught that a knot was safer. But! It seems to me that the layers of latigo wound between saddle and girth buckle before that last one has the buckle’s tongue in it means you’d have to break a whole lot of leather at once. I think the single layer of latigo that has the tongue through it on the near side is not the weakest point in a cinch.
If I keep this saddle I will have to get a shorter latigo. Tied up the correct way I had a whole lot of extra.
[QUOTE=mvp;8892815]
I think the single layer of latigo that has the tongue through it on the near side is not the weakest point in a cinch.[/QUOTE]
If you’re referring to the off-side billet style single ply rigs, I don’t see many that are truly single ply. I had one years ago that was, but it wasn’t latigo leather, it was the same as the skirt leather, so a bit stronger. Most of them are 2-ply leather or nylon, however, I don’t disagree about that being a weak point. I use a latigo on the off side as well as on the near. When adjusted correctly you have the same amount of layers on either side and both use the buckle for optimum customization. It also allows for you to change the position of the leather to prevent certain spots from wearing out.
As for the shorter latigo, it’s always an option to neatly trim the end to a reasonable length.
Martha Josey barrel saddles used that same rigging.
http://s5.photobucket.com/user/go4brokegb/library/MARTHA%20JOSEY%20ULTIMATE%20BARREL%20SADDLE%2014%20INCH?sort=3&page=1
Whether you use the far
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On a side note, are you using two back cinches? Never seen that before.
[QUOTE=Draftmare;8894006]
On a side note, are you using two back cinches? Never seen that before.[/QUOTE]
I think that one is leather hobbles and/or neck rope for roping tied hard and fast?
We do use a shorter hobble between cinches, not quite as long as that one looks there.
With too long one, we had it get too far back and horses get down when backing out of a trailer when the flank cinch grabs them back there.
Edited to explain, the second paragraph is about the little hobble between cinches, not that thicker one used for regular leg hobbles that is hanging by the flank cinch.
How people use things is very regionally driven.
No telling what things are in one place, that may not be the same in another.
Bluey is correct. We hang our hobbles from a keeper or ring by the back cinch.
I don’t tie and fast like the guys down south do. When I was down there it was typical for hobbles to be around the neck and where it could be used as a neck rope.
About the back cinch hobble, I never adjust mine and I try to keep the back cinch hocked in. I have seen and been in more wrecks from a loose back cinch. Not by getting a hind foot stuck in it but from it being loose then it slapping them in the gut if you rope something or jump a ditch.
Plus my biggest pet peeve: A saddle rigged for a back cinch and not using it. It is not just for roping. It is meant to create an even pull on the tree of the saddle.
And like Bluey said a lot of things are regional. Another example, we rarely back a horse out of the trailer.
What is typing hard and fast? I am assuming a style of roping?
Any of the saddles that I have tried with a back cinch, I always use the back cinch. I agree, they were put there for a reason! I keep mine snug, but not so snug that they can’t expand their abd. I have gotten a lot of comments from people about that, but I much rather have that then get a foot stuck in it!
[QUOTE=Dani;8893602]
If you’re referring to the off-side billet style single ply rigs, I don’t see many that are truly single ply. I had one years ago that was, but it wasn’t latigo leather, it was the same as the skirt leather, so a bit stronger. Most of them are 2-ply leather or nylon, however, I don’t disagree about that being a weak point. I use a latigo on the off side as well as on the near. When adjusted correctly you have the same amount of layers on either side and both use the buckle for optimum customization. It also allows for you to change the position of the leather to prevent certain spots from wearing out.
As for the shorter latigo, it’s always an option to neatly trim the end to a reasonable length.[/QUOTE]
No, I meant what I wrote: The single, “last” layer of latigo on the near side that you feed through the buckle’s tongue. The rest is wound around between the cinch’s buckle and the saddle’s ring.
Using a latigo on the off side sounds like a really good idea, partially for the same purpose.
[QUOTE=Draftmare;8895481]
What is typing hard and fast? I am assuming a style of roping?
Any of the saddles that I have tried with a back cinch, I always use the back cinch. I agree, they were put there for a reason! I keep mine snug, but not so snug that they can’t expand their abd. I have gotten a lot of comments from people about that, but I much rather have that then get a foot stuck in it![/QUOTE]
“Tying hard and fast” is when you have the rope tied on the horn, so you can rope, pull the slack, get off and the horse will hold the rope tight, so you can tie the calf down.
To keep the horse facing the calf, it is good to have a neck rope high up on the neck, the rope threaded thru it, so the horse has to face the calf, hobbles then used as that neck rope.
Without a neck rope, a horse that gets distracted may turn around and then won’t see the rope to keep it tight and may get scared and drag the calf around, not so apt to happen with a neck rope.
The other way is dallying, taking turns around the horn after you rope to hold the rope and let it slip a little as you need, or take up more, while you keep holding the rope tight.
This last is team roping, two ropers dallying that stay on their horses.
Then one ties fast and gets down to work the calf.
Horses learn the difference and can do either, but some are better at one than other.
Here is a picture that shows a rope tied to the horn and a neck rope and the rope thru it:
[QUOTE=Bluey;8895507]
“Tying hard and fast” is when you have the rope tied on the horn, so you can rope, pull the slack, get off and the horse will hold the rope tight, so you can tie the calf down.
To keep the horse facing the calf, it is good to have a neck rope high up on the neck, the rope threaded thru it, so the horse has to face the calf, hobbles then used as that neck rope.
Without a neck rope, a horse that gets distracted may turn around and then won’t see the rope to keep it tight and may get scared and drag the calf around, not so apt to happen with a neck rope.
The other way is dallying, taking turns around the horn after you rope to hold the rope and let it slip a little as you need, or take up more, while you keep holding the rope tight.
This last is team roping, two ropers dallying that stay on their horses.
Then one ties fast and gets down to work the calf.
Horses learn the difference and can do either, but some are better at one than other.
Here is a picture that shows a rope tied to the horn and a neck rope and the rope thru it:[/QUOTE]
Uhoh, did that rider get tangled up in the ropes? Looks like that could be seriously dangerous. I hope they were okay!!
Some day if I ever get my hands on a quarter horse (I keep wanting one, but seem to always end up with everything but), I would love to get ranch horse competitions a try. Though I don’t think I will ever be much a roper. I can’t seem to throw a horseshoe at a target, let alone get a rope around a moving target!
[QUOTE=Draftmare;8895606]
Uhoh, did that rider get tangled up in the ropes? Looks like that could be seriously dangerous. I hope they were okay!!
Some day if I ever get my hands on a quarter horse (I keep wanting one, but seem to always end up with everything but), I would love to get ranch horse competitions a try. Though I don’t think I will ever be much a roper. I can’t seem to throw a horseshoe at a target, let alone get a rope around a moving target![/QUOTE]
That was a wonderful picture of what all can go wrong when roping.
The way the story read, the roper already had one arm in a cast from a previous mishap, but don’t know how this one ended.
It doesn’t look good for him, does it.
Anyway, that is the only such picture I had in my computer, so it had to do to show what hobbles as a neck rope looks.
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