Confusion over Registries

I am considering purchasing the breeding rights of two mares within the next two years. Both are registered RPSI. I am considering three stallions. One is graded WBS-UK, SHB (GB) and licensed AES. Another is jockey club registered. The last is approved with RPSI, Westfalen, and Oldenburg (GOV).

Who would I be able to register the foals with? Although I am experienced in working with young horses, I have never been a part of the breeding and registering process. Thank you in advance!

“both are registered RPSI” - but are the approved for breeding anywhere? Registration means nothing, other than knowing what to call them.

In general, the mare and stallion need to be approved for breeding with the same registry. There are some situations where a stallion who, for example, is not approved with HAN, but is approved with GOV, and for a mare approved HAN, the HAN registry may give a 1-time approval for that stallion, meaning the foal can be registered HAN.

If the mares are not approved anywhere, then that’s the first step. Figure out which stallion you want for each mare, and get her approved with that registry.

OR, if, for example, you cannot get to any RPSI or West or GOV inspection, but can get to a HAN inspection, find out if the stallion of choice would be allowed that 1-time approval. Does that make sense?

Generally, you have to “match up” registries. Some are more “open” than others. The registries all have different approval requirements. Some are very stringent (Dutch, Trakhener). Some are not (RPSI, American Warmblood). It wouldn’t make sense for e registry to accept another’s registry.

Also, registered is not the same as APPROVED. Registered is just a verification of pedigree and has nothing to do with the quality of the animal. Approval means something else (more), also dependent on registries.

The less stringent registries also generally have less respect in the buying population, because buyers know that the requirements for those registries are relatively lax.

Registries are a bit of a convoluted issue.

Some registries have reciprocity (others do not).

Typically the rule of thumb is as JB mentions above. You need to get your mare approved for breeding with a registry that the stallion is also approved for. Again, different registries have different requirements but they tend to have their requirements listed on their websites (mares -> inspections is the american hanoverian page’s navigation, for example). It is generally pretty logical to identify the stallion you want to use for your mare and then get her approved in a registry he is approved for breeding in.

Example:
A friend has a hanoverian mare, complete with german papers. She has been inspected and approved for breeding by the hanoverian society. If they want to breed her to Dante Weltino, it’s no problem - he’s an Oldenburg but is approved for breeding by Hanoverian. If they want to breed her to Dante Alighieri however, they need to get her approved for breeding with GOV as he is not approved by the HV.

Essentially, before you proceed, start by seeing if the mares meet the eligibility requirements for registries that have approved the stallions you are interested in. Then anticipate taking them to inspection to get them approved for breeding by that registry.

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Thank you for the replies! Is Westfalen NA a reputable registry?

Well, after that question, I will certainly be revisiting this thread tonight. Popcorn in hand !

Oh, I didn’t mean for it to come across as offensive! Just a genuine question. I know most European registries are more reputable than North American ones.

A double whammy!

Nothing needs popcorn if you just stick to facts - drama not required :wink:

@Astronomare you’ll find this thread useful
https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/sport-horse-breeding/9751568-rpsi-westfalen-combine

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Thank you! It was extremely helpful.

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