Conquest Mo Money is broken

[snaffle1987]

has anyone seen the amount of ND blood behind Classic empire? Coincidence? maybe not?

XCountrygirl; if you think the subpar farriers are working on the likes of these graded stakes horses; that is far from the case. I have had several claimers that came off of subpar tracks with excellent shoe jobs on them and excellent feet and even my farrier complimented the lovely work. Yes, there are some horrible farriers working on these lower level tracks but they certainly are not the farriers entrusted with the high caliber horses who keep having soundness issues

the thin hoof walls of TB’s is both genetic and a result of the environment they are raised in. Always living and working on cushy surfaces combined with baths daily (wet to dry constantly) do not help build healthy, hardy feet. With that being said I have an old claimer out back right now who’s been barefoot since he left the track; lives outside 90% of the time; rock solid feet; no cracks.

[LaurieB]

@snaffle1987

has anyone seen the amount of ND blood behind Classic empire? Coincidence? maybe not?
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I’m not sure if your “ND” refers to Northern Dancer or Native Dancer. Either way, it’s hard to imagine that their influence caused Classic Empire to get an abscess. FWIW, I currently have a horse with an abscess who isn’t even a TB, so how do you explain that?

Classic Empire has 2 crosses to Northern Dancer in the 5th generation.
He has 3 crosses to Native Dancer in his 6th generation and 1 in the 7th.

Those horses appear 50-60 years back in his pedigree. I don’t understand how that’s all you can see.

[Laurierace]

It’s like all the people on OTTB Connect who have Storm Cat babies. They look at the pedigree and whoever is the most famous name they see regardless of how far back is who their horse is out of. They all seem to come out of stallions for some reason.

[Texarkana]

I’d really like to know exactly when in time these TB super horses existed. You know, the ones who were never injured, with iron feet and iron constitutions, who could outrun Secretariat in the Belmont, then compete at Rolex later that afternoon. Uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot.

I’ve owned and cared for TBs born from the late 1970s until today, in all stages of their careers. I’ve literally noticed zero difference in the breed itself my entire lifetime. My TBs born in the 1970s had the same traits, good and bad. They had the same huge hearts at the expense of being the same type of hot house flowers.

What I have noticed is a huge difference in how we manage all types of horses, both good and bad. The “good” part being increased awareness in welfare and invention of beneficial technology, the “bad” being massive changes in conditioning and husbandry.

I don’t understand how one can argue our bloodlines are genetically unsound (to the point where bloodlines alone can predict everything from breakdowns to abscesses), then use the excuse that horses in other countries utilizing the same exact bloodlines (like this winner in England yesterday, first one I clicked on) have sound horses because of different racing surfaces/better horsemanship. The only unsoundness I see is in that logic itself.

[Palm_Beach]

I’ve found TB feet over the decades to be pretty normal and not thin walled or bad or contributing to unsoundness. There are a few here and there that have chronic problems, but I suspect some of those are due to poor management, and some are genetic. I find way more foot problems in the stock breed horses I am around now.

[gumtree]

Texarkana. you’ve saved me a lot of time and effort. Great stuff! I’ll add, clarify a few other things when I have the time. But you took care of most of the heavy lifting.

[Canterwell]

Any word on how Conquest Mo Money is doing, or details on his injury. Also, the other Uncle Mo breakdown, Royal Mo - how is he doing - is he still at New Bolton?

[Fred]

@Texarkana

I’d really like to know exactly when in time these TB super horses existed. You know, the ones who were never injured, with iron feet and iron constitutions, who could outrun Secretariat in the Belmont, then compete at Rolex later that afternoon. Uphill, both ways, in the snow, barefoot.

I’ve owned and cared for TBs born from the late 1970s until today, in all stages of their careers. I’ve literally noticed zero difference in the breed itself my entire lifetime. My TBs born in the 1970s had the same traits, good and bad. They had the same huge hearts at the expense of being the same type of hot house flowers.

What I have noticed is a huge difference in how we manage all types of horses, both good and bad. The “good” part being increased awareness in welfare and invention of beneficial technology, the “bad” being massive changes in conditioning and husbandry.

I don’t understand how one can argue our bloodlines are genetically unsound (to the point where bloodlines alone can predict everything from breakdowns to abscesses), then use the excuse that horses in other countries utilizing the same exact bloodlines (like this winner in England yesterday, first one I clicked on) have sound horses because of different racing surfaces/better horsemanship. The only unsoundness I see is in that logic itself.

Thank you, Texarkana. Repeating for emphasis.