Considering a larger farm pros and cons

I have been swinging back and forth between staying happily on my 3 acre residential farmette or moving further out onto a 16 acre Ag property. I have never lived on that much land and am concerned it will just be too much. I can’t keep up with the place I have now but wonder if the bigger place would be less or more work. Would love to hear from all about how they manage keeping up with chores and how much becomes too much. What are the pros and cons?

The 16 acre property has an old house (but larger), no fencing and a rundown barn (priced under current homes value). My current home is all fenced with 3 stall barn and very close to a finished riding ring. However it is in a residential zoned area and jam-packed with no room to grow and limited to 3 horses. I trailer out to ride every weekend.

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I have been swinging back and forth between staying happily on my 3 acre residential farmette or moving further out onto a 16 acre Ag property. I have never lived on that much land and am concerned it will just be too much. I can’t keep up with the place I have now but wonder if the bigger place would be less or more work. Would love to hear from all about how they manage keeping up with chores and how much becomes too much. What are the pros and cons?

The 16 acre property has an old house (but larger), no fencing and a rundown barn (priced under current homes value). My current home is all fenced with 3 stall barn and very close to a finished riding ring. However it is in a residential zoned area and jam-packed with no room to grow and limited to 3 horses. I trailer out to ride every weekend.[/QUOTE]

I would suffocate on 3 acres!

We were looking for a 10 acre property when we started shopping, and we ended up with 75 acres. Much of that is wooded, so no upkeep required (other than trimming branches that hang over the trails). Some of it is hay field, which we have a neighbouring farmer cut hay for us. Some of it is pasture for the horses (about 7-8acres).

I also have plenty of room for fruit trees and a vegetable garden.

And lots of room to ride!

I think, in some senses, more would be easier. I have 5 acres, but horses use around 3.5 of that. Bigger fields would mean less poop picking, less time confined to sacrifice area (fence maintenance, poop picking daily), more mowing, but bigger sweeps (all that turning in tight, small fields!). I am limited by the shape of my farmette (long and narrow, with house/barn smack in the middle). I’d kill to have 10-15 acres of usable pasture.

we’re currently moving from an 8-acre farmette (actually larger, but only 8 acres useable as pasture as the rest is WET woodland) to 17 acres, mostly due to the fact we were outgrowing the 8 acre place.

We too, are limited to 3 horses at our current place. Well, of course the leased horse came back unexpectedly, and then we were stuck with trying to manage 4. With the current icky winter weather (lots of rain here), the field and paddocks are mucky muddy messes, and I would love another couple of paddocks to rotate through so I’m not tearing up next summer’s grazing.

So we looked at a few places in nearby neighborhoods, and found a 17 acre farm available. It’s got a bigger house, a 4-stall barn, but most importantly, it has room to grow! I could eventually add to the barn, or just put some nice run-ins in the bigger fields (perfect to support my breeding plans). The area is still nice and horsey, and while not in the “in” neighborhood, I’ll have the space I need for now, and the space I’ll need in the future. I say go for it!

We also have 70 acres but only use about 10 of it. The rest is farmed out and is in crops. We have 4 ponies at home and a few paddocks, a sand ring and a grass ring. 3 acres would be tiny to me, but we have always had larger farms…

It would depend on your layout on how much work it would be to move. Would it all be paddocks? Grass? How much fencing would you need to do? When we arrived to our farm, it needed an overhaul. No paddocks, barn was a mess, so we started building. Started with paddocks (4 acre grass, and 2 by 1/2 acres paddocks for mucky weather). Once those were up, we worked on the barn. It was a lot of work and lots of $$$ but well worth it to us. Do you have the time to build the paddocks/riding ring? If so, I think you would love the extra space.

It takes a lot of time grass cutting, and we bought a lawn tractor as well as a 8ft finishing mower for the tractor and a bush hog for the heavy duty weeds/reeds. There is quite a bit of grass to cut (paddocks every month and the ring once to twice weekly) but my husband loves it. He even weed eats around every post.

We lived in an area that was being taken over by housing, so I know how you feel. It was horrible! It was nice to be close to things, but I’m happy we moved away from it. Well worth it to me.

I have done both…lived in Florida on 2 acres with 3 horses and now on 12 acres with four horses. I could never go back to the microfarm. Manure management was difficult, pasture management was not even really possible and there was no where to go.

Yes, the larger farm has a lot more mowing and fence maintenance, but I spend a lot less time daily managing manure. Also, I spend a lot less money on hay as the pastures are large enough and lush enough to supply feed April-November.

I even feel tight on 12 acres to be honest! I covet a property for sale around the corner from me that is 127 acres…yet to win the lottery though:(

All things being equal, assuming the cost of putting in infrastructure is not a burden. Having paddocks to rotate with is a huge plus IMO. IMO a lot less work then trying to maintain/manage a couple of acres.

But as I tell others that ask me, just make sure you have the funds to upgrade to proper size equipment. Before you make the move not after. Otherwise the “labor of love” gets real old real quick and will find you will not have the time to smell the roses let alone enjoy your horses. I work with 110 acres and have a lot of horses. And just about all of the necessary equipment. But I do drive a 14 year old Jeep. A lot of fencing, oak, that does not require a lot of maintenance.

If you are USING your equines, doing equine things with them, 16 acres sounds like an excellent size to manage. 3A is about what our house, backyard, workshop and both smaller barns, take up by themselves!

Depending on the layout, which you get to CHOOSE with no fences, you have many options. Are all the acres usable? I have about half an acres in a woods, runoff for seasonal deeper, standing water, ditching, so it is not “horse usable”. I am planting MORE shade trees to replace what was rotted and cut down, adding some fruit bushes along the edges, have trailers parked at one end between the bigger trees and backyard. I do mow the ditches, drainage area in there for easier runoff of water, mow fence line of the perimeter fence, but mostly leave it alone. So monthly over summer and fall. I weed-whack the fence lines, to keep the electric hot in the wires. That is walking work, needs doing a couple times each summer and fall.

The rest of the acreage is pasture and paddocks, gets mowed as needed, which might be weekly in spring, not so often in dry weather and I quit mowing except for the arena on Labor Day Weekend. Want the grass longer for fall and winter grazing.

I also have a brush hog for doing outside the fencelines, neighbors are nice and let me mow there to keep weeds down and out of the fences. They use the mowed area for exercise since it is long beside the fences, saves them mowing past their backyards, still nice looking not weedy. The finish mower is a NICE one that came with the Kubota we bought, does and excellent job of keeping the pastures neat and productive for the horses. There are two small wet spots that only get mowed to keep the fences hot. Usually have standing water, so you can’t always get them cut regularly. I have planted trees and water-loving bushes in there for the long-term hope of trees using MORE water to grow so it quits ponding up. Willows, Burr Oak, Plane Tree, Winterberries, so they will be quite lovely in time. Not much in shade trees otherwise, they were rotten or fell, so we removed them. No shrubbery inside fences with constant field mowing.

I am going to say you will need some kind of tractor, a lawn mower is not going to work well on that size of property. With only three animals, maybe you can rehab the barn for horse uses, storage for your hay, before planning to build a more modern stable. We had our fence posts pounded in, sure went FAST and they are still solid years later, for putting our wire on. Might not have survived as a couple, digging and putting in posts for all the fencing we put up! Worth paying to get the fences done!! Got it done and horses home much faster than if we had done things ourselves.

I would say you could probably “manage” the bigger size yourself, some help from husband now and again, enjoy not being so squeezed in. You could do some things in steps, partial fencing, not the whole place at once. Having barn fixed and useable is for horses is most important (to me), should horses need weather protection, and solid hay storage so it stays dry. Plan your gates to get best usage from them, with minimum effort. Sometimes extra gates, two ways to get into a field is REALLY handy, like last winter with 4ft drifts (or deep mud) on our one gate. Or the ability to access the field around horses who are turned out for mowing or other maintenance jobs.
Think about it, ease of use, step saving, before finalizing your layouts.

I think in my area, about 20 acres would be perfect for us and our (usually) half dozen horses. Sometimes we have more, but not less than 5. We get good rain most years, so grazing is pretty good all season. They usually all get used often and pretty hard, depending on age. At present we have two young ones, just turned 4 and 2, still quite the babies. Other 4 are worked, 3 are older and working the newly trained one in, have to get her fit still to go with the three trained ones. Sure WISH I had those extra few acres, but not going to happen.

Husband is a horseman, so no quibbles about time or needed $$$ spent for the horses or their needs as some ladies have to deal with. No custom saddles here, just workmanlike stuff, sturdy, looks nice. Most things we purchase are used, still the harness and carriages are pretty nice! We do have MUCH LOWER standards of care, to make life easier, than many on COTH. Still get each horse handled twice daily, stalled and stalls cleaned daily. We agree on (most) things done in training and handling of the horses. Variety is good for the horse too, he is more adaptable and not silly with changes asked of him. He and I came up the same way in horsekeeping as kids, young adults. That helps us see things the same way. We can enjoy the working time using the horses together on most days, which is pretty nice.

Never easy starting a new place, so making a list of what order to do things and costs, might be a first step. Sure can’t get it all done fast, even if you work hard and hire help. Money could be limited, so things take longer doing it yourselves. Best to know that going in. Our present set-up happened over years, not a short term project or investment of money and time. You may not want to do that much work over time. Kind of like how I used to go to compete. One horse, all the accessories to go was busy, but not bad. Now it looks like a piece of cake, compared to taking 2 or 4 horses and ALL THAT EQUIPMENT out to compete, even with help from husband and sometimes DD giving a hand.

Land is the only thing they aren’t making more of! It sounds like a better situation than your present location, But I adore privacy

If you have the time and $$ into getting the larger place set up (fencing, barn work, etc), I’d say go for it. You can set it up how you like since there’s no existing fencing, which can be set up to be “easy”. Also, more space means less pasture and manure management. The horses will likely be less hard on fencing. The big thing is the time invested to cut/mow more grass/pasture, plus the energy that goes into fixing it up.

I think smaller acreage is more work unless you go massive. Rotating, sacrifice areas, manuare management, etc, are all harder on tiny acreage.

Trailering out to ride all the time would make me wackadoodle. But not everyone can ride out from their farm, if this is important to you do your research on the surrounding area, what is rideable now, might not be next year. The local hiking club is rather anti-horse, so I stay diligent on trail issues.

I have land lust, so I’m always supportive of those who want more acreage :smiley: It is more work, but if you are saving time (and gas $$) by not having to trailer out multiple times a week, you might be ahead of the game purchasing more acreage.

While location is important, Layout of the farm is even more important. Odd as it might seem, this time of year is a great time to look at property, you can see what drifts where, how the roads are kept up, ponding areas, muddy areas, etc.

I am smiling that not one poster asked about the condition of the house. :slight_smile:

We are always thinking about ‘moving up’…but honestly we have 16 acres and it is the perfect size for us as we don’t need a team to keep it managed. I’d like to have more of it in pasture, but with 5 horses and a mini-donkey, it works really well. Lawndart’s expression sums it up … ‘landlust’! We’d like more for privacy and may buy up the neighbors at some point but I feel that 16 acres is easily handled. Would not be able to live on less now!

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What is it you can’t keep up with? Mowing, fence repairs, clean up? I would agree that 3 acres would be tight but 16 may be too much if you are unable or unwilling to keep up your property. Considering you have a barn, fencing and a finished ring, house in good order; I would stay or look for something more in the 5-8 acre range that has an existing barn, fencing and a house that is updated.

We have 10 acres and it is a lot of work, especially living down South where you need to mow and bush hog frequently, even in the winter months. Three horse’s will not keep pasture eaten down in the deep South, you will still need to get out and keep pastures mowed. Keeping your place mowed and kept up is also a deterrent to snakes, in the South, that is a good thing! There will always be fence repairs and all the things that you have to do on your 3 acres multiply it to 16 and that’s how much work it adds. That much acreage requires a large tractor and implements.

I’m the lone poster that thinks a larger size would be more work for you since you can’t keep up with the current 3 acres; especially when considering a larger farm that needs complete renovation and building of barns, fencing etc.

There are a lot of things to consider, not just having more space, like having more money.

My husband and I purchased a 10 acre piece of property 32 years ago. It had a relatively new house but not finished yet inside (divorce forced sale). Weeds up to the back door literally. We had originally thought we would put up a small barn, stay about 10 years and move to somewhere larger. Well…years later we are still here. We have built an 8 stall barn with a heated lounge bathroom and kitchen, a large indoor arena, professionally landscaped the place, nice big sand ring, 3 rail fencing, run-in sheds everywhere…you get the idea. We are both now in our late 50’s and nearing retirement. Our farm is the perfect size to keep 8 horses comfortably with all the amenities of a “show” barn and still have room to ride on the property and trails nearby. Honestly if we had moved to a larger farm we would not have had the time nor the resources to keep it “cute and tidy” as it is now. Its perfect for us. And luckily is in a very highly sought after location (close to the Pan Am equestrian venue in Ontario) so was a great investment property. If you go bigger just be prepared for the additional maintenance. Large properties are difficult to keep nice if you are doing the work yourselves and have full time off the farm jobs. Hey, if you can afford full time barn help or maintenance staff to cut the lawns, plow the snow and paint all the fences every year go for it! :slight_smile:

I’m going to keep it short and sweet. IF you have a chance to have more acreage. Do it. All the input regarding ‘keeping up with’ more acreage to me? has no validity. You do not have to manage, encompass, upkeep all of it. You can fence/clear/maintain whatever amount you want to. I am on an inherited spit of land. I love it. I do. BUt I do not know if it is doable for home horse keeping, its so small. I’m having so many issues JUST because I do not have any more land or any opportunity to get more. I say go for the bigger property. no question.

More over less acreage. In addition to the excellent points listed above I will add privacy. DH and I both 10+ acres backing onto what we were told was some 1000+ acres belonging to the local hunt. Although we were in a community, there was a lot of undeveloped lots.
Fast forward to today - the 1000+ acres of hunt country was actually many private owned parcels that allowed the local hunt access. Many of those land owners have passed on and their heirs have different ideas about land use. Much of that land is no longer available
One adjoining neighbor died and his daughter sold her sizable farm and moved in. She then sold half of her 10+ acre property to folks who now have a “compound” of at least 2, if not 3 people living next door.
Over neighbor built a small house for a “friend” to live in on the other side.
Of course both neighbors “keep a close eye” on what every body does in the community, especially us.

So I vote for more land and in a area where you have some privacy.

Some great points and lots to think about! Right now I am waiting to hear from my Agent because there seems to be some confusion about the lot size that comes with the house. It is listed all over as 16 acres, two parcels one 9 acres and one 7 acres with the shared driveway (1.5 acres) up the center. Even the listing agent is not sure if the seller has sold the 7 acre lot. The sellers are not really trying to help themselves; they only have 3 pictures of the property and they have junk everywhere.

I told my agent I would not be interested in just the 8 acres, temping as it is. It’s been on the market for over a year with one price drop and the land roll shows both lots in the sellers name so I have some hope!

Because the two lots are narrow and long I don’t think it would work well as a farm with just one. I would not be able to use the existing barn even temporarily because of its location. Also if someone built on the other lot there would be no privacy and a shared driveway in Ag zone where anything goes, yikes!

We built our current farm and I did OK with the lay out it just has limited space. It is 15 years old now and I feel like I am re-building the house. So I figure if I have to do all this renovating and repairs I might be better served to do it on more land and with a bigger house. But if the other house requires a complete gut job I might not be up for it. We also do not want a mortgage so we must get this property for less than what we sell for and have the $ to put toward the house, barn and fence. We are still in the same school zone and the farm is only about 10 to 15 minutes further out. The farm is surrounded by large crop fields on 3 sides and a swampy undeveloped lot on the 4th side.

A tractor is an issue and I think I will need one; it is like a jungle here. I think it would be best to get to know the land before putting up lots of fence so I have no problem with doing a bit at a time. I want to design a place that is light maintenance going into retirement. I think the sellers have done near nothing with the place and someone else must be mowing the fields. If they are haying them that would be a big bonus!

I am afraid both places are a lot of work! But if I stay where I am we will need to down size stuff and no more than 3 horses. New place could be lots of unknowns.

We are on a postage stamp of a lot (barely over an acre) and have two horses. When we have the funds, i know we will be looking for something bigger. However, even with our little place- it still works OK. We are in a horse community and can ride the trails from our house. We have a nice equestrian center with several arenas that I am able to use. We have a turn out area that is big enough to include a small dressage arena- I generally don’t ride in there but I can if I want to. With more land, I’d want to have a barn with a center aisle, have pasture area to rotate, and put up some xc fences. Oh and a gallop track around the perimeter. And many other swell improvements. I better go out and buy a few lottery tickets today!!!

I know the postage stamp lot very well; kept one horse on property like that more than half my life. I can make it with 3 acres but I always wanted a proper farm. Have started on the bucket list but who knows if I will even be riding in 5 or 10 years!

The place I was considering is a no go. They sold half the land and the shape of the lot with the shared driveway is not good for horse keeping. I will continue to look but I am in a sought after school district and there seems to always be people wanting to move out of the developments and into the country. Because of that most land is priced high. Then they built gigantic homes on large acreage and after a few years of the long commute and the endless mowing they come to their senses and move back! These places are priced too high when you consider having to build a barn and fence. A run down fixer upper was perfect for me at the right price.

Another 6 years and the kids will be graduated from school and I can expand my search range if I still am looking then. I would love a place that I could produce my own hay and be able to rotate pastures! Get more horses of course! There never seems to be any horse property for sale.

I just got the horse trailer so going out on trails has been a bucket list item; so much more fun than riding up and down the roads!

A well laid out larger property is NBD, whereas one that is poorly planned will kill you.

For example, fences where you can mow on both sides are a fraction of the effort to maintain than fencelines where one side is mowed and the other is woods/brush.

Mowed areas where you can zip along with a big engine and wide mower deck are a snap to maintain. But fiddly little corners, narrow bits, backing and filling around individual trees with a small mower or weedwhacker can suck up hours of your time for minimal return.

If you really want to grow some hay, go help someone make hay. If possible, do it on a smaller acreage like you’re planning to buy. It will give you a lot of insight into the turning radius of balers and hay wagons, what a time-consuming pain in the a** they are to back up or maneuver around things, and how large gates need to be to accommodate equipment.