“Correct Dressage Schooling” Facebook page

It sounds like nothing has changed. He always seemed angry, aggressive, and short tempered.
He shouted at an elderly woman named Gloria, who paid him for a lesson and he told her she was wrong, when she instinctively did the right thing while riding the horse Sundust. It was a disgusting, inexcusable display of ignorance and hubris on his part.

I don’t understand why people don’t research if they might have any niggling of a doubt or a question about an online “trainer” who has no record or references. Just do due diligence. Unfortunately, some of the “trainers” who have no show records or any other references and are selling their services, have criminal records related to fraud and/or theft. Some with Olympic chops have brushed with the law as well, but at least they are able teach and ride.

References from a trainer’s instructors or peers from or with whom they have taken lessons, are valuable. If their instructor has a record of producing good riders and good horses, that’s a reference. Competition records are also helpful, but if you, as a “trainer”, have no competition record (unusual) but have the riding chops and the results of the horses you’ve brought up, as well as good references from your instructors, then call yourself a pro and charge people to ride their horses and to listen to you. It’s the U.S. after all.

It’s strange that people rely on student reviews (testimonials :roll_eyes:) about trainers on the internet. When you hire someone in any other business do you rely only upon reviews from beginners and/or the people that they supervise, or do you want to know what the teacher/trainer’s supervisor thinks of their knowledge and job performance?

While the student’s experience is an important part of the equation, the balance must be had with a reference from the teacher’s teacher. The beginner doesn’t know what they don’t know and thus their “testimonial” (when did that become a term for a reference?) is often worthless.

It was a shame that Buck was able to convince anyone that he knew anything about riding or training horses, especially when the videos proving otherwise were there to be seen, displayed by him on the internet.

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He kicked me out :cry::cry::cry:. Such a shame I was always defending him :pensive:

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I remember speaking with Gloria at the time. She got over it quickly.

Also, to illustrate the group does have valuable conversation, I offer this:

And you miss MY point, based on a lot of your comments you have not ridden enough dressage horses to understand how conformation and biomechanics work.

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And with that, he’s kicked Kyra out of the group.

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What was your unpardonable sin?

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That didn’t take long :roll_eyes:

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I enjoy a lot of what Paula K posts. I’ve interacted with her in other groups over the years. I was even Facebook friends with her for awhile but I removed her because any photos I posted on me riding or someone else riding would get nitpicked or critiqued without my asking. Even if I put in bold letters “No critiques today.” Lol I know I have a lot to work on but sometimes you just want to enjoy the moment of your life and share a photo for memories.

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That’s not a “two beat trot” (latest dust up in that group.) In fact, I’m not quite sure what it is! It sure ain’t passage!

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I will edit to add that my one criticism of Paula K, is that over the years of seen countless people ask for her to post videos of something that she does like at the GP level but she always ignores it. Or from what I’ve seen.

To me learning is best with looking at what to strive for not just tearing others down.

Alan Buck posted this is May but looks like nothing came of this offer either.

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Oh, good. I know Paula, she’s legit.

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I think this is the best type of learning as well.

Honestly, anyone who only has NEGATIVE things to say about other riders, whether they are competition riders or not, turns me off. Riding is hard, and riding well is even harder. There are tactful ways of analyzing a ride, and there are times when it’s wanted and times when it’s not.

Someone said the other day (somewhere, I don’t remember where) that unasked for advice is a form of violence. I think that’s true.

Obviously, if someone posts their own picture and says “tell me what is wrong”, people are welcome to do so or if someone is doing something super egregious, a gentle “hey, maybe it would be better if you did x instead of y” might be called for, but the “WRONG WRONG WRONG” brigade is just not my cuppa.

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I wonder what excuse AB has formulated that prevents him from showing the world “correct” dressage himself? I am being pretty facetious here. Here is the YT view of AB riding which, IMO, shows perfectly well why Buck can’t provide perfect dressage himself - IE. He is a charlatan.

I think what AB does is pretty dangerous. It’s nice and fluffy to pretend that horse and rider combos can execute perfect dressage all the time, every time, but in reality it sets an unrealistic expectation that is going to backfire on the horse because it isn’t possible.

Also, most people can nitpick the heck out of a photo but few have the experience and knowledge to know the path to correcting those imperfections with each individual horse. Also knowledge of timing and feel… certainly separates the wheat from the chaff. I don’t understand the appeal to hyper critiquing dressage. Ok, that aspect is not perfect… but can you tell me how to fix it? Likely not, and therefore, one probably should not be offering critique.

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Yeah and I think there’s some science out there about how most people don’t learn well with “Don’t pull on the rein” because then ours brains might hear, “Pull on the rein” first. Lol so good teachers are supposed to tell us what to do. Such as “hands inviting horse to the bit.”

And it makes sense… If I think about when I’m riding, if I just thought about what I shouldn’t do, it would sure be a mess after while.

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Oh yes that’s why I posted the screenshot of AB pretty rudely critiquing that other rider of her horse in canter pirouette. She asked how she could improve and he wouldn’t say, just a list of her “infractions.”

Myself personally I can tell you who I would allow on my horse and who I would not allow even near my horse!

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I believe he thought Kyra is a fox in a chicken coop. He thought because she is so famous she will turn around all his followers . I stated that she would have no chance to turn around 27000 group members and that he should take it as a chance to finally change something in todays modern dressage because of her influence…. But obviously he wasn’t confident enough and got rid of both of us :pensive:

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I’m not at all sure what point you are attempting to make there.

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You feel it was valuable but this got Kyra banned so buck must disagree.

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I think something about them accepting Kyras advice but buck banned her because of it so that’s not the case.

So in other words, the page might just as well be called the “Gospel According to Rev. Buck”?
Since I can’t read the page without joining, I guess what’s being argued here is whether or not he allows/encourages discussion or just nukes anyone who disagrees with him.
Is that a decent approximation?

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