So I’m looking into possibly qualifying a large pony that I own for the Large Greens at pony finals next year. I would be showing him but after he’s qualified I will either take him to PF, lease him out, or sell him. This pony was my investment and I’ve had to pay for him all on my own but after PF next year I will have aged out so I wouldn’t be able to show him after and I won’t be able to afford to continue taking care of him since he was purchased with the intention of selling him once he’s had some miles put on him. I’m curious how much a large pony qualified for the Large Greens at PF sell/lease for. Have you had experience selling/leasing out a PF pony? How much do they typically sell for? I would like as much information as possible.
It’s not hard to get a pony qualified for Pony Finals. That in and of itself would be almost meaningless as a way to increase his price. If you put him up for sale before PF, it will be a nice advertising line that he is qualified. Now, if he’s capable of being the winner, you might be able to sell him for more so some wealthy kid without a pony can go and get a ribbon.
Agree with Midge. Not enough information has been provided to give you a solid answer. It is comparable to asking how long is a piece of string. As Midge mentioned, depending on where you are located, the quality of the ponies competing and the number of ponies competing, it is not that hard to get a pony qualified.
Many variables go into what makes one pony worth more than another - if they are the hack winner, can also win the model, fancy over fences, uncomplicated around course, how easy do they pack a younger rider around course, are they forgiving in regards to rider mistakes, do they have an easy lead change, will they vet, and so on.
Do you mean that you actually won’t be able to take care of him if worse comes to worst and you have to show him yourself at Pony Finals? You seem to be young since you mention that you “had to pay for him all on my own”.
There are pony people here (of which I am not one) like Daventry and Midge who may be able to help you, but a photo, a show record and perhaps a pedigree, would be helpful ( if he’s a “rock star” then pedigree won’t matter.)
With the economy in flux (to say the least) I hope that you will be able to afford to to take care of your pony if the whole pony finals qualifying thing doesn’t work out.
@skydy she’s either 17 or 18 she mentioned this is her last JR year.
OP- anything can qualify for PF. To be able to throw out numbers to you, we need video (ideally, although lots of peeps aren’t comfortable sharing this online, myself included), or at least a couple still photos. What’s his show career been so far? How does he move? How does he model? Changes auto?
depending on your answers a sale could be anything from giveaway to upper sixes (I know!), and leases from a free lease to low sixes (again, I know).
Who the heck pays upper 6s (like 500k+) for a pony?? What’s the point? Good lord.
We leased a wonderful large regular pony last year, the pony was qualified for Pony Finals, Devon and had points towards indoors. We paid $70,000. My daughter ribboned at Pony Finals and qualified the pony for indoors and ribboned at every show.
Am I the only one (Quite possibly) that thinks that the trainers are the only ones winning in these scenarios? Kids don’t NEED to win to compete. In fact there are numerous psychological studies that highlight the benefits of not winning with emotional growth. This (IMHO) is asinine to pay that much money so your kid can ride AND do well versus just riding. Buy a nice (15-20k) pony and own it and have the kid LEARN about ALL the facets of horse ownership and riding with competing as just a very small part of the overall equation.
I am just dumbstruck by the need to only have your kids experience success. Especially since failure is what usually makes most people successful.
Em
Thank you everyone for your responses! I can see that I didn’t give a lot of information due to not wanting to break COTHs no advertising policy. I know there is more that determines the sales price of any horse besides shows they’ve qualified for. I will try to get videos and soon.
No of course I will be able to take care of him as long as he’s in my care but I wanted to sell him before I age out of ponies.
I’ll try to answer without giving too much away and breaking COTHs advertisement policy. He’s shown for less than 2 years, moves 9/10, models good, ask for changes, good with beginners-advanced riders.
Thank you everyone for your responses! I can see that I didn’t give a lot of information due to not wanting to break COTHs no advertising policy. I know there is more that determines the sales price of any horse besides shows they’ve qualified for. I will try to get videos and soon.
No I will be able to take care of him as long as he’s in my care, even if hes missing an eye, lost his tail, and has a broken leg but I want to sell him before I age out of ponies.
I’ll try to answer without giving too much away and breaking COTHs advertisement policy. He’s shown for less than 2 years, moves 9/10, models good, ask for changes, good with beginners-advanced riders.
From Big Eq website: Not quite that high. ExchangeH/J has a number over $150k. But I’d bet the really top ones never get advertised…
Welsh Cross Pony
Sale Price $150 - 200k USD
Lease Price $40 - 60k USD
What is interesting is that some ponies are for sale or lease (with lease price as much as 50% of purchase price), but many of the ponies are ONLY for lease. I’ve never been a parent, but if you have a young (growing) kid, it makes way more sense to lease a pony than to buy one.
A top pony is really worth its weight in gold - its my impression that the competition in pony hunters is intense.
To the OP’s original question. If you read thru ads on various sites, you can get a better idea but unless you have a really stand out pony and access to people who might be looking - ie through a trainer who can help market - I’d think down in the lower 5 figures. But as others said - many variables
I’ve read through ads on multiple sites but most say to inquire for price which I’m not going to waste a seller’s time asking about their pony that I have no intention of buying. I see that a lot are advertised in the low-mid 5 figures but I want to know what they’re selling for. The advertised price can be a lot different than what they actually sell for. I know a horse that won everything 3’3 and below, easy to ride, no health issues, WB, 9-12 yr old, advertised as 50k but sell for 25k.
Can you clarify “ask for changes” - is it that he offers?
With that short a career, is the rest of your statement based on placings? Or is it your opinion? Your Trainer’s?
He offers a change but you have to ask. His career is short but he shows like he’s done it his whole life and has placed at every show.
K
So he’s not a problem at shows… Yet?
Some campaigners get sour, the 2yr mark is not enough to know if he is one of those.
How good were the placings? Top 3? Champion? Reserve?
Back to original question…between 10 and 100k or much more depending on specifics not provided.There are many factors that effect pricing and we dont know any of them,
Don’t forget for some this is a business and a well bred ( with papers), fancy, easy measure 14.1 3/4” Pony with wins in Model, Hack AND fences in major competitions that can pack an average rider kid can be leased to a new kid every season generating years of income for the owner in lease fees if not training fees if buyer is a trainer (earlier in its career before the price skyrockets) . It can be an asset for well connected trainers with top income clients and contacts.
The other 90% of us with more modest budgets will be looking for something that will safely pack a child first and foremost followed by proven performance at shows that can be verified. Price is going to be based mostly on these factors.
IIWY, I’d aim at getting as many miles on him as possible without breaking his Green status. Proven safe Pony still eligible Green but with substantial Short Stirrup and similar mileage with a younger rider at smaller shows still eligible for a full year of Green will be easier to sell then a, no offense here, average Pony lightly shown by an young Adult. It will cost you much more to go to just a few USEF rateds offering Green Pony division in hopes of qualifying for 2021 Greens at PF and keep him showing at that level to build reputation and mileage then you can likely recoup in sales price.
The market is saturated with unproven, lightly shown Green Ponies that need a great rider. They are hard to sell. On the other hand, if you create a safe, solid, citizen an average child rider at smaller shows can get around a low course with changes repeatedly that will be eligible Green for a full year once new rider is ready priced more affordably for the other 90% of potential buyers? Those sell if priced correctly. Better strategy if you must sell next year.
JMO but don’t think its going to be a sellers market next year in most price ranges.
Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate what you have to say and it truly does help me. I’m still exploring options for how to sell him/ what to sell him as but I think I might steer towards the other 90%.
Howdy! Owner of ExchangeHJ chiming in.
Our 6 fig ponies are all (with the exception of one recent import) highly proven & qualified with multiple PF trips and several PF ribbons among them. They are also currently re-proving themselves with a young rider moving up. None of them cost in the upper 6s. I don’t doubt that someone somewhere was able to get a $750,000 pony sale off the ground in pristine conditions, but we’ve sold our fair share of PF winners and they don’t come anywhere near “high” 6s (or even mid in most scenarios).
OP, the pony market is a bear market. It is extremely hard to move one unless you are well-connected to the pony crowd. This, more than anything, is likely to affect your pony’s price tag, to the tune of $25k-75k.
Others are correct, “Qualified” works in your favor pre-PF, and is kind of a ‘meh’ post-PF.
Attending PF can make or break everything. Scores are recorded and available on the internet. Best case scenario (assuming ribbons are a long shot) is pony troops around respectably and you get excellent video that shows pony doing its job in a venue & atmosphere everyone is familiar with. Worst case scenario is he scores 40 or less and now there’s a paper trail of pony not performing up to par at pony finals.
I know of a lovely Large that went to PF as a Green last year, finished Top 20 after model & hack and remained Top 50 Overall as kid tried to find their way around the jumps. IOW, a satisfactory record for a pony’s first trip to PF. It’s one of my personal favorites - gorgeous, good mover & jumper, will never run out of scope or step (dam-sire went to the Olympics), but it’s not a deadhead, which seems to be perpetually de rigueur these days <sigh>. It think it’s a steal in the low/mid 5s, and yet it hasn’t moved. It is absolutely with a good professional too, just not a pony professional.
I’m not sure there is any equine market as unstable as the pony market - the prices are e v e r y w h e r e and tied into connections. Large Greens are probably the worst of it as so many of them don’t make a successful step up to the true Larges. Not really knowing whether you have a Large Pony Hunter or a Children’s Pony Hunter will have a huge bearing on price.
Ahhhhh ponies. Best of luck to you.
Thank you so much for your feedback! I know a kid that will be leasing my pony and showing him locally. He’s great with kids and can pack a child around no problem. Would it be worth trying to qualify it for pony finals myself? Or should I show it as a Children’s pony hunter? I understand as it would be hard to judge what to sell the pony as with little to no information about it or without seeing pictures.
I’d keep it in the Childrens - that is proving kid-friendly value in and of itself. For a lot of ponies, the Green year is their one & only shot at Pony Finals, because they ultimately don’t finish as division ponies. This means it’s also a lot of kids’ one & only shot at Pony Finals. I wouldn’t take that opportunity off the table.
Essentially, once it’s done its Green year it has to go out and prove itself all over again as a Large Pony. It’s a kind of pony limbo that essentially wipes the market-value slate clean.