Cost of Veterinary Care - a Vent

yankeeclipper - how awful that they didn’t offer you what you ended up doing as an alternative. I know it didn’t work perfectly, but at least you were able to keep your dog comfortable. I don’t understand how they can make you feel bad for not spending almost ten grand on your dog. :eek: Who has that kind of money to throw around?! They should all be compassionate and appreciate the individual’s situation and work with them to come to the best treatment plan that the individual can afford. Enough of the shaming. :no:

Justmyluck - I do appreciate the overhead issue, as well as the cost of education issue. But since when is it up to the patients to support what the vet has decided to provide for himself? He decided to go to vet school and I’m sure he knew how expensive it would be. And he certainly can charge based on reimbursing himself for that cost. But we should be able to decide whether we want to pay him what he’s charging without being shamed. And I would also ask that you be a little kinder to spook1. She’s in a very difficult situation and you berating her for not (supposedly) not understanding the cost of business is just not necessary.

My new vet has a lovely facility with state of the art equipment. According to Justmyluck, this should mean that they can charge outrageous fees for their services, but they don’t. shrugs

That whole “you don’t know how the vaccine has been kept” applies to the vet too, ya know. I’ve worked at a vet clinic and I’ve worked at a feed store and once the truck drops off the vax it’s up to the company to get it checked in and put away. I’ve seen vaccines discovered on the receptionist’s desk, or dropped off and forgotten in the middle of an emergency call. At least at the feed store there was one person assigned to check in freight and get it where it belonged instead of techs/someone doing it as soon as they could on a busy day. I’ve seen trays of vax left out and forgotten when another crisis came through the door and I’ve seen the same tray taken out three times an hour all day long and we all know what that does to the carton of milk! :lol: You can’t always assume that the vet does everything perfect and the feed store does not.

[QUOTE=Fessy’s Mom;7381246]
yankeeclipper - how awful that they didn’t offer you what you ended up doing as an alternative. I know it didn’t work perfectly, but at least you were able to keep your dog comfortable. I don’t understand how they can make you feel bad for not spending almost ten grand on your dog. :eek: Who has that kind of money to throw around?! They should all be compassionate and appreciate the individual’s situation and work with them to come to the best treatment plan that the individual can afford. Enough of the shaming. :no:

Justmyluck - I do appreciate the overhead issue, as well as the cost of education issue. But since when is it up to the patients to support what the vet has decided to provide for himself? He decided to go to vet school and I’m sure he knew how expensive it would be. And he certainly can charge based on reimbursing himself for that cost. But we should be able to decide whether we want to pay him what he’s charging without being shamed. And I would also ask that you be a little kinder to spook1. She’s in a very difficult situation and you berating her for not (supposedly) not understanding the cost of business is just not necessary.

My new vet has a lovely facility with state of the art equipment. According to Justmyluck, this should mean that they can charge outrageous fees for their services, but they don’t. shrugs[/QUOTE]

It outrages me that people dont understand how business works. So human doctors shouldn’t charge people what is cost them to receive their education too? Those expensive restaurants shouldn’t charge for that prime cut of steak? I mean they knew it was more expensive too when they bought it. The grocery store, I should be able to go in and buy $200 worth of food and walk out and say I’ll pay for that over the next month. You build a house with a skilled architect verses a cookie cutter builder, no need to pay for that they knew that extra education would cost them more, why should we pay for their skill? I mean BMW’s should cost what Kias cost, it only makes absolute sense, right??

Also people lets think about your location in the U.S. my house in a college town in Florida, completely redone cost me 61K. In California that same house would be probably over 300K. You have to think about the cost of living. To the person who said a C-section was cheaper in Oklahoma, serious no duh.

I don’t want to pay for it when the vet decides he wants a custom fireplace in the waiting room of his brand new clinic. I don’t want to pay for it when he takes every other month off to do mission work in Tibet. I don’t want to pay for the original artwork in the exam rooms. More than happy to pay my part on continued education, good techs, good equipment and what serves the actual patients.

[QUOTE=cowboymom;7381299]
I don’t want to pay for it when the vet decides he wants a custom fireplace in the waiting room of his brand new clinic. I don’t want to pay for it when he takes every other month off to do mission work in Tibet. I don’t want to pay for the original artwork in the exam rooms. More than happy to pay my part on continued education, good techs, good equipment and what serves the actual patients.[/QUOTE]

I do completely agree with you, there are some extras that are ridiculous. I am talking about equipment and necessary items. Just FYI.

Then we’re on the same page there. :yes:

[QUOTE=Muffin;7380838]
Ugh! Earlier today I spent $335 on my cat…he was acting like he had a UTI, so I immediately looked up a vet ( I just moved), and drove him there.

$335 was for a $95 office visit, $180 for ONE X-ray, $40 to read the X-ray, and some ‘extra film’ charge (they were digital X-rays!). No medicine, nothing. They wanted to do a urinalysis, which I agreed, but lo and behold he just peed and they couldn’t use that. Maybe they have to draw it, I don’t know?

Anyhow, I could either separate my two cats and see if my one boy peed, or I could leave him there and they’d watch him for 12 hours. I decided to leave him until I saw the bill…they wanted $120 to observe him overnight!!

So, I’m staying up watching him tonight, and if he’s acting uncomfortable I’ll take him out to one of the vets near where I board. Maybe I’m wrong, but ‘big city vets’ seem much higher.[/QUOTE]
Just so you know, many vet clinics that provide “overnight emergency hospitalization” don’t actually have someone observing overnight. Some do, but in many others, all you are paying for is a spot in a cage, and someone looks at them before they leave and again in the morning when they arrive. It is important to find out who does what.

I don’t know of any low cost clinic in my area… although Toronto Humane Society is doing a low cost spay/neuter in Jan. for $25. Never heard of around here… and I am one hour west.

I just checked my vet bills. Rabies is $21 for the horse(s) and $18 for the dog! I do like both vets and I feel they are reasonable in costs. My equine vet has been known to reduce her costs when can (counting 1 unit instead of 2 on her sheet). After my very expensive small animal vet (I hear you on the art/vacation/cabinets…), these two clinics are fair. We just had our dog cruciate ligament repaired and the visiting ortho surgeon charged $1400… of course the pre and post surgery at the clinic added up to almost $3K…

My BO used a travelling vet… he does not have a clinic but rents one day/week to perform spays/neuters at very reasonable cost and does house calls!! Thank God, that way all the barn cats (11) and dogs (2) are vaccinated and cared for. Imagine @ $400/per spay… how many kittens would we have??

Again, I don’t blame the vets for charging for their knowledge and education… BUT most vets out of school will work at a clinic and will be paid a salary… I will not pay more to get the senior vet… there is a price schedule… the young vet will have to pay her loans out of HER budget… so I do not buy the argument that clinics have to charge more for that… how many vets out of school open their own clinic???

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7381199]
After some really expensive illness with my last two dogs, I bought medical insurance for all of my dogs when they were still young…now everything is covered with a $250 deductible.

I purchased it just so I wouldn’t have to make a decision based on the cost of care.[/QUOTE]

What are some good companies to contact about this?

Justmyluck - you’re missing my point that the same service should cost the same (or relatively close) all over. A BMW in CA costs pretty much what it costs in FL, same with your prime rib, so that argument doesn’t hold water. But a C-section in one state is $350 and $1250 in another? Why?

I think, in general, you get what you pay for, at least to some degree.

And I think most people don’t realize what kind of overhead clinics deal with and just how expensive everything is. Not just vaccines and drugs, but things as simple as needles and syringes add up fast.

The low-cost vaccine clinics are subsidized. I have a hard time believing their business models would work for a for-profit vet clinic.

[QUOTE=Fessy’s Mom;7381375]
Justmyluck - you’re missing my point that the same service should cost the same (or relatively close) all over. A BMW in CA costs pretty much what it costs in FL, same with your prime rib, so that argument doesn’t hold water. But a C-section in one state is $350 and $1250 in another? Why?[/QUOTE]

Housing, land, buildings, electricity, and water all contribute to overhead and none of that costs the same over state boundaries. The old saying is location, location location.

[QUOTE=cowboymom;7381263]
That whole “you don’t know how the vaccine has been kept” applies to the vet too, ya know. I’ve worked at a vet clinic and I’ve worked at a feed store and once the truck drops off the vax it’s up to the company to get it checked in and put away. I’ve seen vaccines discovered on the receptionist’s desk, or dropped off and forgotten in the middle of an emergency call. At least at the feed store there was one person assigned to check in freight and get it where it belonged instead of techs/someone doing it as soon as they could on a busy day. I’ve seen trays of vax left out and forgotten when another crisis came through the door and I’ve seen the same tray taken out three times an hour all day long and we all know what that does to the carton of milk! :lol: You can’t always assume that the vet does everything perfect and the feed store does not.[/QUOTE]

Yep. They can do the same at the warehouse too where you order them from the catalog. It can happen anywhere.

[QUOTE=Fessy’s Mom;7381375]
Justmyluck - you’re missing my point that the same service should cost the same (or relatively close) all over. A BMW in CA costs pretty much what it costs in FL, same with your prime rib, so that argument doesn’t hold water. But a C-section in one state is $350 and $1250 in another? Why?[/QUOTE]

Because you are paying the doctors and overhead IN THAT STATE, which varies based on location. I would certainly expect vet care in NY city to cost more than vet care in the middle of Oklahoma.

Additionally, the cheaper clinics in the poorer areas are cheaper because their clients can’t afford it. But to compensate, they don’t offer a lot of the same diagnostic tools and might drop their quality of care-- for example, not intubate or put a catheter into an animal during a spay. I personally would not have my animal undergo surgery in that situation, but it cuts costs for sure.

Dr. Pol is a great example of what I consider sub-standard care, yet there are a lot of people that love him because they don’t think he pushes any extra costs. Meanwhile, vets everywhere cringe…

[QUOTE=Justmyluck;7381290]
Also people lets think about your location in the U.S. my house in a college town in Florida, completely redone cost me 61K. In California that same house would be probably over 300K. You have to think about the cost of living. To the person who said a C-section was cheaper in Oklahoma, serious no duh.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think anybody argues the cost of living issue.

It definitely differs from place to place.

Businesses and this includes veterinary business have right to charge what they think people in the area are willing to pay.

The same businesses cannot then complain that the customers adjust, too.

Unfortunately, animals get caught in the middle, for that adjustment is sometimes detrimental to the health of the pets.

I think, that is the main reason, why “subsidized” clinics are on the rise. People need break and looking for cheaper options.

People in many areas are being priced out of pet ownership at the very same time, as we face the major problem with dog/cat overpopulation.

We have just discussed it a couple of days ago, when many suggested multiple animal ownership. Well, who can afford that with prices posters have been quoting here today?

So far, we lived in five different states in the USA. Most of these states were average cost of living. Vets were very reasonable. We could afford our animals comfortably.

Fast forward, we live in NoVA and, let me tell you, the vet price sticker was a shock, when we first moved in.

Not the equine care, mind you- that one is very much in a line of other places (except really advanced work).

For instance, dog’s basic teeth cleaning is approximately 3-4 times more expensive than in other four states, we have lived throughout the years.

As a result, we only do it once in two years and not annually, as we used to.

I was even talking about it with the vet and suggested, she cut the price, because that would mean a) better preventative care for animals b) more business and, thus, more $$$ for the office. She said, she could not do it.

Taking into consideration rising costs and pressure to spend on advanced treatments, we are seriously considering to not commit to another dog after our old trooper passes away.

I wonder, whether veterinary offices ever think about what they are going to do, when more people start pulling out of pet ownership.

PS: High income/high cost of living area does not unfortunately mean, there are no middle class struggling/poor people there. We probably have majority of those, but they get “averaged out” with large land owners and extremely rich, so then, the average income is, let’s say, $100K, but most do not make that kind of money even here. Yet, services are priced accordingly.

[QUOTE=RubyTuesday;7381364]
What are some good companies to contact about this?[/QUOTE]

I have VPI but I understand there are other companies that may have better plans. I have the well care plan as well, so basically my well care visit and vaccinations are prepaid as well as $50 of heartworm or flea meds a year.

[QUOTE=mswillie;7380881]
There is a huge difference in cost between two practices that are in my area.

Both practices have plenty of clients. One is slick and modern, the other is a little older and more pragmatic. Apart from the cost I like the older practice. They understand that funds may be limited for people and although they will offer more expensive treatments if people want to try them, they also don’t make anyone try to feel guilty if they choose a more conservative route.[/QUOTE]

We have this same issue in our area and I don’t know what I’ll do when our small animal vet retires.
About 5 years ago I had my last litter of Collie puppies, and (long story short) they came down with Parvo. It was Sunday night when the first pup got sick and one of the expensive clinics was on-call. Took pup in to verify that it was indeed Parvo, confirmed that and was told it would be a minimum of $1000 to hospitalize for each puppy. We’re talking $8000, (8 pups), minimum. And they don’t take payments.
Thankfully Monday morning our regular clinic was open so they were able to help me with the pups. Our vet even stayed home the following weekend from his out-of-town plans to take care of my puppies.
Of the 8 puppies, 7 got sick. They were in and out of the clinic for a week, on IV meds and fluids, take home meds, etc. I did lose 2 pups so the total bill also included disposal of their bodies.
Remember, the first clinic quoted me a MINIMUM of $8000 to treat my puppies.

The grand total from our clinic? $1200. And they took payments. I do know how lucky we are to have this clinic and I hope the good Dr. doesn’t retire for many years yet!

Well, I took a feral kitten in for surgery and got a quoted of $5000. Thevet gave me a written estimate. I had it reviewed and all the things you would expect from a not-straight-forward operation appeared on the estimate including a charge of a sponge of $20 when I know for a fact it cost .05 so it’s not all about real costs.

The bottom line is that vets should get paid but they should try to minimize the work, work with the owner to minimize that cost. If you are charging $20 for something that cost you $.05 or requiring that things be done that are not necessary or that can competently be done by the owner, you are doing a disservice not only to your patient but to all animals.

I did have the surgery on the kitten, but not by that vet. Funny thing is that the expensive part was post op, and the exact same post op services were used by both vets.

I have an extremely low cost vet.

His charge for neutering a cat is a six pack of beer.

He neutered and vaccinated my dog for $90.
The nearby clinics wanted $450.

He does my horse’s coffin joint injection for $90.
The last vet I asked about it quoted “around $400” for the same thing.

I once walked out of there after getting two horses’ teeth done and all three dogs their vaccines and heartworm tests for $200 total. Just one horse’s teeth is $250 by the barn vet.

This vet has also stated to me that he won’t get out of bed for less than $1,500 a day, so I don’t think he is poor.

I have a really hard time swallowing that $450 neutering bill (in a geographical area where my 15 year mortgage is $600) when I can drive 15 minutes down the road and get great, personal service for $90 and the vet assures me he is doing juuuuuuusst fine financially.

Unfortunately, veterinary medicine is starting to get inflated, much like human medicine. I work as a tech for a low cost clinic and I hear what other places charge for the same stuff we do. I understand that specialized care and additional testing cost extra… but not THAT much extra. I see the ‘at cost’ price and the ‘low cost’ price. When I see full price, I get sticker shock!